Category talk:Crossover characters

So why can't they be categorized in any other category? SeanWheeler (talk) 17:30, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

To help keep them separate from other characters. Myself 123 17:33, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

What if we give them subcategories, like Category:Crossover princesses, Category:Crossover females, Category:Crossover males, Category:Crossover humans, Category:Crossover robots, Category:Pokémon (The Pokémon category will wait for after the release of Super Smash Bros 4). We already have Category:Robot Masters, so why not? SeanWheeler (talk) 17:47, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

There isn't a great deal of crossover characters, so such subcategories are completely unnecessary. Myself 123 17:51, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why do we need to separate them from other characters? SeanWheeler (talk) 18:09, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Because they're crossover characters, characters that typically don't exist within the Sonic universe. Myself 123 18:10, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

So? Characters in the other two non-canon categories get other categories. Glitch Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog 2) and ********** are in Category:Playable characters. The scrapped character Gazebo Boobowski has the categories Males, Felines and Inventors. Actually a lot of scrapped characters have categories and they are non-canon. Characters from other media has those kinds of categories. So what if it causes the "Read More" section on Princess Elise's page to show Princess Peach? Maybe some newer readers would get confused at first about why a Sonic site would have Mario characters, but a good explanation of our non-Sonic policy could make them understand. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:44, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

They are all characters who originate from the Sonic series though, crossover characters do not. Myself 123 19:16, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Just because they are crossover characters? I think that is a poor excuse. Why can't crossover characters have categories other than "Crossover characters"? Just because they are not Sonic-related? Sonic has met them. SeanWheeler (talk) 20:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

No, because of the reason I gave at the top. Myself 123 20:51, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

You said to keep them separate from the other characters. I asked why, and your only reason was that they don't originate from the Sonic series. I don't find that reason so valid. True that they didn't first appear in a Sonic game, but they have all made at least two appearances with Sonic. And what other type of mainspace article here has restricted categorization? SeanWheeler (talk) 21:30, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

I think you're missing the point, it's because these characters aren't made to be in the Sonic series, that's why they're separate, they're not part of Sonic, and should kept that way, it also helps avoid confusion. Myself 123 21:35, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Glitches aren't meant to be either. And if these guys weren't relevant enough to Sonic, they'd probably wouldn't be here. But NiGHTS has cameoed in the main series. Yoshi has a DLC level in Sonic Lost World. Mario has been Sonic's rival in the nineties and later competed in the Olympics. Ulala and AiAi appeared in Sonic Riders. While they may be noncanon and belong to another franchise, they have still somewhat appeared in the Sonic series. And that confusion when a new user discovers these characters can go away when our policy regarding our non-Sonic characters is explained to them. While we don't need to bring up their full history in their franchises (we shouldn't anyway), I'd think they should have categories. While we are not the Super Mario Wiki, and they have different rules from us, I think I can use them for an example. On their pages on crossover characters, like Sonic, people are free to categorize them as necessary despite not meant to be part of the Mario universe. Kinda cheating to use a totally different site for an example, but still. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:24, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Bumping discussion. People won't be so confused about what whether or not they are from the Sonic series if we keep the Crossover characters category and the Non-Sonic template. It's not "Category:Males from the Sonic series", it's just Category:Males. Everyone knows that Mario isn't from the Sonic series, or even Sega. But we have him because he made six crossover appearances with Sonic. I'd be okay with Mario in the Male and Human categories. SeanWheeler (talk) 13:51, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Can we please give them categories? So what if they are not a part of Sonic? Big deal, that doesn't exclude them from categorization. We have all these characters. They have made at least two appearances with Sonic. I think they could have some categories that they deserve. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:49, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

They are categorised, in their own category. Again, I believe it's better to keep crossover characters separate as they're not part of the Sonic universe. Myself 123 01:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I believe that if a character is on this site and there is a category that matches their description, they should be categorized. I mean, characters have been categorized with their other-media universe counterparts. I don't see why they should be kept separate from Sonic characters. Do you have a better reason that has nothing to do with the defination of "crossover"? Being Non-Sonic shouldn't be excused from categorization. It's excused from getting mainspace articles. But we have a policy permitting these Non-Sonic characters here. They follow those rules. I want to see categories. How come the Robot Masters from Mega Man get their own category? SeanWheeler (talk) 04:11, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Excluding categories from crossover characters just because they are not Sonic is like deleting Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) just because of being the worst Sonic game. And since most the See More section is based on categorization, and crossover characters are in the minority, it is less likely for one to show up in the See More. For example, on Sonic's page, since Mario would have "Males" and "Heroes" in common, as Mario isn't a Hedgehog need that much citation, and isn't a Speed-type, 73+(780+49=1229)+(299+36=335)+(10+4=14)+126=1654. Mario would share 2 categories with Sonic. 2/1654=0.12% chance of Mario appearing on Sonic's See More. SeanWheeler (talk) 17:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

That's a false equivalence. It is not even slightly like that. Otherwise, carry on. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:39, April 3, 2014 (UTC)