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| Result: The Main Page has been updated to take account of changes. The intro and outro of the Featured User section are now shorter, and the signature has been replaced by a byline. The monthly question will be kept, but the accompanying silliness on the main page tuned down. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| The title of this forum says it all. So:
It's nice and all that we have the whole Featured User thing, but I'm kind of questioning the layout of it at the moment. I rather shoot for a more professional layout for it, because we are indeed a wiki, not a playground. I'm not saying the questions or responses are bad, it's everything else. The intro is probably okay, but I think it could be a bit less silly. After the poll where users and anons vote for the next featured user is my problem. No one really answers the question of the month anyways, and we already have a poll, don't we? Why not remove it completely? If we do end up keeping it, I honestly think Kagimizu should be more neutral and remove his signature, remove the "ANSWER OR ELSE!!!" bit, and even remove the "get back to editing" part. It'd honestly look much better if we ended the Featured User section with the next FU Poll, so I suggest removing the question of the month. I also think we should remove the candidates for deletion section on the main page. Only administrators can delete articles anyways, and there is not very many times when we "discuss" deleting articles, and when we do, users who are active find them one way or another. I doubt anyone has found that link of too much use, and it can probably be removed. There might be a counter-argument for this one, as I have just recently thought of it and I'm probably missing something about that being there. I'd also kind of like to open up a suggestions for polls idea for the Poll's talk page. Voting won't be necessary on it, I already know most of the polls that have already been done, and I can look through the history myself to see which one's have been done (and repeating one from a while ago isn't that big of a deal), it's unnecessary, yes, but we could get some interesting ideas out of it, and to be honest, my ides aren't the best in the world, either. Below the poll we can do something similar to the featured article where we say "Suggest a Poll", and I can cross out the ones that have been done, and I can cross out the ones chosen each week. Not necessary, but something to consider.
I think we should get rid of the "ANSWER OR ELSE!!!" part. I have always found it disturbing. Also what if a new user comes on our site and reads that? They might think were some rough house or something. But I don't think the Site Discussions need to be moved. I think it's good the way it is. And I don't think we need the monthly question thing. I don't even use it. And I don't think anyone else does either. -- I support the changes you propose, except for moving the Site Discussions header up one spot. I personally think it's fine where it is. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 06:17, July 20, 2012 (UTC) ...Yea~ Went ahead and slashed that out, tested it in a sandbox wiki and it looked off. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 06:19, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Though slightly reluctant, I support having these changes implemented. Serious Sam I support having these changes implemented, as I think they will make the home page much neater. Thunder the Hedgehog 12:48, July 20, 2012 (UTC) Template:FreeSmudger I support these changes. (I always thought that it was odd to have an "ANSWER OR ELSE" thing) We all have our own styles we won't change 15:38, July 20, 2012 (UTC) Bullet> Yes, uncategorised templates can go too. The person who made the poll header was Johnsowhat94, so he should know about font. He's not active, but might respond at some point if you leave a message on his talk page (he was active more recently on MegaMan wiki). -- Supermorff (talk) 16:36, July 20, 2012 (UTC) I support. -- ☯ModrenSonic The Ultimate Ninja☯ 22:56, July 22, 2012 (UTC) This is what I got so far:
Also, shouldn't Sega Wiki be on the Main Page as well in Affiliates? And, are we doing anything with the Sonic header, or leaving it as is? We could change it to Recently Released, as that is what the template for it even is, but I'm not sure. Also, we could add a link to articles in need of cleanup for the helping out section. I dunno. Anything else? --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 23:01, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! GOOD F***ING GRIEF!! People can't actually talk to me about this freaking thing first!? Y'know what? No. I have done the Featured User poll this way for several months in an attempt to make it unique and individualized. It is not a standard layout, it is my personal touch. And you people did not respect that by trying to talk to me about it. The way a person does the Featured User interview is up to the interviewer. THIS is what is part of the standard layout:
That is the way it has been since before any of us (aside from Morff possibly) joined this wiki. The "ASK OR ELSE" bit is my personal touch, in a humorous way to get people involved in the Featured Questions, which people used to do with enthusiasm. I am doing the Featured User poll my way. You like it or not, you talk to me. None of you respected that this is my job and I take pride in doing my job. None of you tried talking to me first or even notifying me that anyone had a problem with it. Quite frankly, it feels like you didn't respect me. So no. Vote all you want, but I WILL continue to do the Featured User poll in my own personal method. Because no-one here bothered to notify me of this before Bullet felt the need to remind me of Myself's interview, nine days before it becomes pertinent. No-one bothered to respect that this is a job I take pride in, and regardless of my record, I try to get the job done on time. This job is personal for me, and last I checked, you can't vote on personal matters for individual Users.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 23:12, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
The front page is not my property. The Featured User interview however, is my job. And no-one here bothered to think "Hey, why don't we try getting the person who does the interviews involved in this discussion?"! Broken links, Poll changes, feel free. But the interview is my job, and I do it my way, to make it unique for both the wiki and myself. I am not just an admin of this wiki, who should be involved in discussions like this, but this is my personal, designated job. And regardless of both, no-one talked to me, notified me, or did anything of the sort. Beyond talking about someone behind their back being a big Berserk Button for me, I feel that I was not respected. As an admin, as a User on this wiki, or as the person who actually takes the time to do these interviews! Do you guys know how that feels?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 23:23, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
We do not have to notify you to get you involved in discussions. You say you should be involved, and if you "should", then you look at the site discussions forums on your own, you should not have to be notified. The Featured User Interview is not your personal "job", you are not obligated to do it, in fact, someone else can do it at any time. You are simply a volunteer. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 23:25, July 22, 2012 (UTC) You guys just don't get where I'm coming from. I took up this job and have been doing it consistently for almost two years, maybe even more. I take pride in it. And since the wiki has gotten more populated and fast-paced, it's one of my few ways to consistently edit and contribute to the wiki. This has sentimental value for me, both because of how long I have done it and how it is my main remaining connection to this wiki. You guys don't get how important this job is to me, and how personally insulted and hurt I am that no-one thought that I should be involved in a discussion directly relating to my job on this wiki. If someone had talked to me beforehand or tried getting me involved in this from the beginning, I would be able to handle this much better, because I would have had ample time and opportunity to explain, defend, and/or justify the methods and actions I take when doing my job. But no-one did. And now, I'm expected to just read this entire forum, where people criticize and complain about how I do my job, without getting the opportunity to state my side of the argument, and just be okay with it? Do you really expect that from me? Not as an admin, not as a User, but as a person?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 23:33, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
Bullet, read my comments again. Read them very carefully. Once you understand why I am so upset, so personally insulted, then I want you to talk to me.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 23:41, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, people wanted changes. Not to the Featured User template itself, but to how I do my job. People want me to change how I do my job. No-one thought to talk to me about how I do my job. No-one thought to notify me of a discussion involving how I do my job. No-one gave me an opportunity to explain or defend why I carry out my job in this way. People expect me to take all these criticisms and complaints about how I do my job, demands for me to change how I do my job, and just be absolutely okay with it. Despite the fact that I was never given a chance to defend or explain why I do my job the way I do. Do you understand now? No-one involved me in or allowed me to be a part of the discussion determining how I do my job. THAT is why I am upset. THAT is why I am acting so unseemly. THAT is why I am so deeply and personally insulted, to the point that I am actually, IRL angry, and have been pushed to tears at how this was carried out.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 23:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
You only messaged me after all of this went down. Now I have to try and read all of this forum's contents and address each and every one of the issues people have with how I do my job, and do so all at once rather than each individual person.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 00:01, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
Bullet, I am part of at least three different wikis, I have a large amount of interests, and I play MMO games. Do you honestly think I'm on SNN 24/7, checking the site discussions every five minutes?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 00:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
I also suggest:
--Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 00:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC) I support these changes. --MetalMickey272 00:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC) ..........*sighs* I have so many issues and this causes so many negative emotions. Quite frankly a few of these I question whether or not they should even be allowed to be voted on.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 00:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC) Sega Wiki is still on the Affiliates page, just not on the Main Page, and that's because it has no active editors. I don't think it has ever been on the Main Page, and I don't personally think it needs to be, although if people want it there that's okay with me. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
I've edited {{HelpOut}} and crossed off the changes I made from your list. I did some other rewording too, which people should probably look at. Feel free to change back if you don't like it. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:14, July 29, 2012 (UTC) Personally, I like the question of the month. And I feel that taking the funny things that Kagimizu says is not a good idea because they are funny. I understand that you are trying to make the site look more professional, but really when you look at it, we are just a bunch of fans of a video game series on a wiki website. I don't think that we need to make it professional. We are friends, not business workers. --Sonicfan1185 (talk) 15:35, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
I really see no reason to get rid of it. Also, why have the changes been made before the discussion was closed?
Crap... okay, hold on please. Can I have an opportunity to explain some of the aspects of the Featured User interview? Since that's the only one I have an issue with, can I make a separate forum for further discussion, please?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 04:25, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
Bullet, I have not yet been given a chance to plead my case, which may or may not change how consensus votes. I am simply asking to be given the chance to share my side of it before a decision is carried out, without hindering the other subjects of this discussion. I fail to see how being asked for such an opportunity is unreasonable, when in the mean-time the Featured User interview would continue as it has for several years, albeit with the complaints taken into account for.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 04:44, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
Bullet, all I'm asking for is the proper opportunity to share my side of this discussion. What is wrong with that? I've been busy, so I haven't had the opportunity to share my thoughts, opinions, explanations, or ideas. I honestly feel that trying to further discussion the issue after this forum is closed won't get anywhere because "it's already been voted on". The forum got to a point beyond where I could properly address peoples' thoughts and complaints and share all of my own thoughts in detail. All I am asking for is the opportunity to address those thoughts/complaints specifically, before people end up indifferent due to votes already being taken.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 05:13, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
(sighs) Okay, okay, just give me this much: the voting concerning the Featured User interview. Postpone it and/or carry it over to the forum I make concerning it. That will give me the time I need without the whole "voting indifference" aspect, without prolonging or delaying anything else about this forum.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 05:25, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
My reason for wanting to make a new forum is basically the reason Bullet is against it; I don't want to prolong the other subjects of this forum, when my sole issue is with the subject of the Featured User interview. I have a problem with only one subject, and I don't want to hold up this entire forum over it. That's why I figure making a new forum focused on that one subject would be easier, and allow this forum to otherwise continue its process.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 08:19, August 1, 2012 (UTC) Making a new forum is going to have the same affect. The other changes have already been implemented and as seen above and below, the community wants change. This forum has already gone on long enough, and I am going to close this forum in 24 hours, as I said above. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 09:12, August 1, 2012 (UTC) The other issues in this forum have already been resolved. The only remaining issues are the three listed below. None of them relate to the Featured User interview. There is nothing in the forum to "hold up" except the three issues below. If you want to talk about one of those (none of which relate to the interview, mind), do it now, because adding a section here or making a new forum will have exactly the same effect, except that one way you'll be contributing to an ongoing discussion and the other way you'll be trying to reverse a rule change based on recently-established consensus. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:22, August 1, 2012 (UTC) Okay, so it's not the interview itself but aspects before and after it that I wish to address. I just honestly feel that if I were given a chance to type out an explanation/justification, it might change consensus. Pardon me if this is rude, but it would be a lot easier if there wasn't a pressure of time constraints.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:16, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Morff. I'm trying to clean up SFW right now which is taking a little bit of time. So, I'm going to get the interview up today and format the Featured User in a way that meets "middle ground" until a decision is reached. Then, I'll put up a full comment detailing my thoughts and opinions tomorrow. I hope that's reasonable and acceptable.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 22:29, August 1, 2012 (UTC) I don't think we should get rid of the monthly question at all. We have a poll, yes, and I don't think we should get rid of it, but it is far worse than the monthly question. I mean, look at some of the other questions on the current one like I don't have one, of "Other". This is way too unspecific, and with the monthly question, we can be much more specific, and we can also explain why. Sure, not many people answer it, but hey, we could just move it up if no one notices. Enough people do in my opinion anyways, as it's just under the amount of people who contribute to site discussions. Sure, the're the only people who care, but I still think that there's enough. If there really is too little, then we could just make it weekly, although that's not what i'm suggesting at the moment. Also, some of them are pretty funny :D. Quality over quantity.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 13:00, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
The introduction on the latest Featured User interview (up today, featuring Myself 123) is much better than previous introductions. And I appreciate that the silliness around asking the monthly question has been toned down. -- Supermorff (talk) 19:28, August 2, 2012 (UTC) Thank you Morff. I try to keep some humor in the introduction, but I realize I probably should tone it down on here when compared to SFW. So, I did. In the future I'm gonna try and find a balance of where it can be casual without being personal or unprofessional. And the monthly question silliness was to encourage people to get involved in answering the questions more. Back when I first joined people enjoyed answering these questions and sharing their inventive and imaginative ideas and answers, and it was really just something for the community to take part in and enjoy themselves while doing so. I really don't want to remove such a feature since it's been such a big part of the Featured User format for... longer than I've been on SNN, actually. But clearly I haven't been asking questions that are interesting enough to get peoples minds working and bringing them around to take the brief time to answer. Hence my latest question, where I encouraged people to share ideas that they think will encourage people to get involved. Should the monthly question be allowed a continued existence, I'm thinking of revisiting some of the older questions that were previously used, so that a community full of new Users can answer the questions in their own way. I wish I had more time to debate this (since I haven't even been able to touch upon the signature bit), but I may be going out to dinner with my family tonight. Hopefully this won't be my only post on the matter today, but I'm hoping people won't hold it against me if it is. Or swamp me with long posts detailing their own opinions, thoughts, and suggestions.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 19:38, August 2, 2012 (UTC) I'd be willing to come to a compromise and keep the Featured user question, but keep everything less silly. I still want the signature with all the colors and everything gone, and the intro to be less silly though. I'd rather the intro be a brief summary of the user rather than Kagi talking. I'm glad the way he did it this time, just remove the signature and I'll be fine there. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 03:43, August 3, 2012 (UTC) Well, admittedly the way I put it so far is... actually more concise and maybe a little more formal than how it used to be done. I guess you could look at it like a news article, in terms of the opening and the signature. Depending on the mood of the article, the writer affords a little bit of humor while keeping the article professional and on-focus. I like to think of SNN as a wiki more focused than SFW, but still capable of enjoyment and casual behavior (at least, that's how it was when I started out on here), sort of like... well, I guess Knuckles to Sonic is what SNN would be to SFW, to give a comparison. The signature is mainly there to... well yeah, it says who actually did the interview, like a signature on a news article. The coloration is just my signature ^^ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||