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The reason why I find it hard to digest the story of Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood as part of the series canon is because of how much it butchers the history of Sonic's planet. (And geography since Green Hill Zone is not part of the main land, but part of South Island.)

First of, judging by the Mystic Ruins I'd say Knuckles' people were based on the Aztecs to 14-16th century. So it's udnerstandable the the lives of that time had a limited understanding of science and nature and limited tools and equipment for daily living.

Oh and an advance robot army.

I find the Gizoids are an ugly mess of ancient fantasy and Sci-fi. I understand the Nocturnus strived for advance technology and perhaps there culture was entirely different to Knuckles Tribe's Aztec like culture, but there is no way any culture at the time would of had technology that advance for super-robot army. If early Gizoids were more like golems than robots, perhaps held together by alchemy or something then yeah, that be slightly more believable to me.

The only logic I find behind the Gizoids were that the Nocturnus perhaps had contact with aliens. These beings give the wisdom to the Nocturnus and that when the Nocturnus was misusing this gift they started the Argus Event.

Eitherway I hope Sonic Team put there pen to the script of Sonic Chronicles or at least not include it in Sonic's world canon.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 00:39, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

This is a world where a giant, orbital space station was built with a full colony whilst we were struggling to put people in a rocket just to orbit the planet. Plus it isn't really explained how the Gizoids were made. Myself 123 00:46, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

The only explanation I have for that is that this version of Earth is slightly more advance than our own version. But I still can't swallow a bunch of barbarians have advance robotology cracked with ease. Perhaps the Chaos Emeralds are the cause of all that is different on Sonic's world compared to ours.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 01:51, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps the Nocturnus were really advanced compared to the Knuckles, it's hard to say when the Echidnas broke off into two sub-species. Myself 123 01:57, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
If they were really advance though why couldn't they conquer Mystic Ruins with ease? Nocturnus had robots and lasers while Pachacamac's lot had sharp rocks on sticks, though the warriors prefered spiked boxing gloves. The two sides were at war so maybe Knuckles lot countered the Nocturnus with arcane arts. But still the Nocturnus would of wiped Pachacamac's side like muck off a shoe.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 02:05, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Reading the Nocturnus Clan article over again the more I am reminded of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire which I wouldn't be suprised if thats what inspired BioWare for Chronicles story. The Nocturnus could of been primitive-steampunk in culture which contrassed the Pachacamac's Aztec themed tribe. Both sides were given a power responsable from a god like entidy and both abused it and both were erased from the world. Pachacamac echidna's faced near extinction when there kingdom was raised to the sky while Pir'Oth Ix's echidna's thrived when there kingdom was taken to the Twilight Cage.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 02:46, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm, it could be possible that the Knuckles clan had far more numbers compared to the Nocturnus clan, or perhaps the Knuckles clan were more adapt at fighting on their terrain than the Nocturnus, like the Romans and the Scotts. Myself 123 14:04, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Thats a good point. Mystic Ruins could of been the capital of Knuckles Tribe while the lands that will be Angel Island could of been there kingdom (Or most of it if the Egyptian themed Sandopolis Tribe were seperate to the Aztec themed Knucles Tribe). Nocturnus Clan may have only had Nocturne and smaller territory around it, but great resources that Knuckles clan wanted. However Nocturnus had the advantage of golems to fight for them. (I still can't swallow the first Gizoids were robots.)--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 16:28, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean traditional golems, but my guess the first Gizoids were like automatons of stone and metal, which could of been animated and advance for various of reasons beyond the science available at the time for Nocturne (magic, chaos powered or reversed engineered alien tech). My guess the Nocturnus creation of the Gizoids and the Argus Event were related somehow.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 16:55, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
That seems more likely, although Sonic Chronicles does refer to them as robots before the Argus Event. Myself 123 18:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
I know I am over-thinking it all, it just Sonic Chronicles story bothers me and hope more consideration goes into it before Sonic Team accepts it as canon or not. For example Green Hill Zone is shown part of the mainland with Central City, I strongly don't believe in this that in Sonic 1 (Both 16-bit and 8-bit) prooves that Green Hill Zone is part of South Island away from the mainlands. Sure Star Light Zone or Spring Yard Zone could be part of Central City but I don't believe this as Sonic Adventure 2 shows Central City is part of the mainland and Green Hill zone being a small hexagonal island which I pressume is South Island. Sorry if I am now derailing, Gizoids can still be called robots, I just don't think the first Gizoids were like Emerl or the Gizoids of Twilight Cage due to what the aliens had. Modern Gizoids could be made from metals from Kron Colony and energy from Zoah Colony as well as modern technology that can be compared to Dr. Eggmans, while Ancient Gizoids could of been made from local stone and metal and could be animated by "alchemy" or something which would make them more clunky. (Im tempted to draw "Golem Gizoids" now. :P) Emerl is a Modern Gizoid who manage to escape the Twilight Cage and ended up in possession of Gerald Robotnik.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 18:34, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
That could be true, perhaps Gerald partly updated Emerl, amking his arcane programing compatable with modern computers somehow. That would also explain the binary Emerl spewwed out when he went mental. Myself 123 18:46, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
On Emerls article it did say Professor Robotnik tried to curb his destructive programming but failed, but manage to calm him down. My guess Emerl manage to escape the Twilight Cage because he was "too perfect" of a supersoldier and due to the location of Space Colony ARK and Geralds study of Chaos Energy and lifeforms would make Emerl home towards ARK. My guess at the start between Mystic Ruins VS Nocturne, the gizoids were not the Nocturnus original idea and that they were given the wisdom by a superior "entidy" (An alien or a god, perhaps alien the Nocturnus worshiped as a god?), not knowing they were taking part in an "experiment" to see if the Nocturne civilization is dangerous or not to be sent to the Twilight Cage. As for who was the entidy I do not know but it/they had power over Argus. (Maybe the entidy was Argus?)--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 18:54, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Though reading Nestor the Wise article it implies that Emerl may never have gone to Twilight Cage to begin with so he may not have been a Twilight Gizoid to begin with, unless he is the ancestor to the Twilight Gizoids made from the same materials as the Golem Gizoids, though I don't really think so, with how I imagine Golem Gizoids to look like.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 19:09, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

←I'm not sure about that but it could be true, I do like the idea of all magic being some form of sciene though. Myself 123 19:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, "Alchemy" can be a sort of ancient magical science in Sonic's world. I can imagine Eggman Nega being more of a futuristic alchemist than an inventor like Dr. Eggman. So pre-Argus Gizoids could have insides like the clockwork mechanisms and powered by Alchemy and that modern Gizoids could be more technology based. Professor Robotnik could of simply repaired Emerl which made him strikingly look like his Twilight Gizoids counterparts. But I believe that Twilight gizoids are made from materials "provided" by the Kron and Zoah Colonies while the pre-Argus Gizoids were more golem like.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 19:28, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
Aye could be, though I think they might still look the same or very similar. Myself 123 19:32, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
I am tempted to draw what I believe they could look like, but I dunno if it will be neccisary.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 19:32, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
My final theory is that Emerl may indeed be the first Gizoid, so first that even the Nocturnus did not invent him, but found or were given him in which they reverse engineered what they learn from Emerl to make the Gizoids.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian. 20:31, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, I still think that Emerl was created by the Nocturnus. Myself 123 12:29, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
I wish there was an IRL based picture of him to take a better look at what he is made of or something than just the pictures provided in Sonic Battle. Like maybe he has a clay or stone chissled armour instead of metal or perhaps made of bronze.--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian.

Anyways my interests now turn to Gemerl. While he is more Badnik than Gizoid, could he be in a "maybe" Sonic Chronicles 2? He is supposivly reprogrammed to be friendly but what if he is scouting for the next civilisation to bring in or out of the Twilight Cage?--Mystic Monkey is a proud MonoBook Wikian.

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