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Result: Blog Policy for Non-Sonic blogs is maintained

Alright, anyone who's interested in making socializing blogs and doesn't wanna lose that, I suggest you listen up and pay attention. Recently, another forum was used to decide if we would use the chat feature, which got an overwhelmingly positive vote. However, this does not come without cost: now some people wish to make a stipulation that all general blogs not directly related to Sonic be forbidden. To be quite frank, I think this is extreme. We've always had non-Sonic blogs on this place, even back when I first joined. However, it's not so much the content of the blogs that's the problem: it's the sheer number of these blogs that's brought them under scrutiny! The ruling that no socializing blogs be made rather than using the chat is especially unfair to those who do not wish to use the chat, as well as those who cannot, either by not using Oasis or via technical difficulties. So, in order to find some even ground, I came up with this possible amendment to the rule: each User is allowed to make as many Sonic-related blogs as they wish, and as many blogs that directly relate to the User making them (family, schedules, vacations, etc.). The reason there aren't any limits on these are because this is a Sonic Wiki, so limiting blogs related to the very subject of the wiki would be... I wanna say stupid. The reason there are no limits on blogs about personal lives is because well, it's life: you never know when something is gonna come up or how often it will occur, so trying to place limits on it would pretty much be trial and error. However, each user is only permitted to make two blogs a week for something that does not either directly relate to Sonic nor relates directly to the person making the blog (like talking about a different franchise, world subjects, etc). To be more specific about personal blogs: THEY MUST RELATE TO AND DIRECTLY IMPACT THE PERSON MAKING THEM, NOT THE PERSON/CHARACTER THEY PRETEND/BELIEVE TO BE (yeah, I'm looking at you two 'Sonic' and Chromia). Now, is this amendment reasonable? Because suddenly expecting everyone to drop socializing blogs at this point certainly isn't going to happen.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:34, September 4, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 08:03, September 5, 2011 (UTC) Making most non-Sonic blogs forbidden gives other users a reason to use the chat, and half the time people blogged about non-Sonic content. Ammending this new rule would essentially make the chat feature redundant and a complete waste of the efforts given to enable the feature in the first place, and doing it so soon is like adding insult to injury to those who got this thing approved. I don't see why it should be our problem if just a few people refuse to use the chat, because in all honesty its not our job to coach them into doing so. As for technical difficulties, this is also not our problem, and from what I can tell most people are able to use the chat just fine. I think you're being a bit unreasonable about this, especially considering the fact that we're still learning what works and what doesn't for most people. We knew that some people would probably have difficulties, but we can't please everyone no matter what we do. I'm sorry, but I'm not voting for this. Gen, I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying the chat needs to be taken down whatsoever. I just don't think that in the process, non-Sonic blogs should be deemed forbidden. And actually Gen, enabling and disabling the chat is- quite literally- as simple as a single click. What I'm suggesting is simply allowing both functions to be used, for those who prefer one or the other.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 08:07, September 5, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 08:39, September 5, 2011 (UTC) I think you misunderstand. Did you forget the reason why we enabled the chat? We did so in order to cut down the number of a specific type of blogs. Us amending this rule, which everyone else agreed upon, would basically destroy the whole purpose of the chat's existence, just because you are too stubborn to do a simple skin-switch. The only other person we've seen complaining is Pinkolol, but the reason why I'm not taking her stance into consideration is because she's letting one minor rule change destroy her whole experience and ability to function on this Wiki, when in reality it doesn't. No one else is complaining. How hard is it for someone to simply go into their preferences, change to Oasis, go onto the chat, open another tab with the same Wiki on it, go back into their preferences and change back to Monobook, and use both the Wiki and the chat as normal? Its not. You're not getting my support for this, and there's nothing you can say that will make me change my mind, and I strongly believe making this amendment will make the chat feature useless and kill it off before it has the chance to actually stick around long enough to help us make an accurate judgement. And Gen, I think you are getting far too heated over this simple matter. I don't want to kill the chat whatsoever, and this isn't about my own thoughts about the skin or the chat either. I agree that the chat can be useful: it's used on SFW as well, which does in fact cut down the number of irrelevant blogs. I'm not asking people to pick one or the other: all I'm asking is that both functions be allowed. Taking your own statement into account, why don't we try this: use both the chat feature and the blogs freely, and see what happens? If you force people to use one feature or disable the other, then of course people will use the other avaliable feature instead. So, why not just let both be used, and see what happens then? With the chat feature active, it might offer another outlet for conversation, and reduce the number of blogs without any limitations on the blogs anyways. I'm not trying to be stubborn about the chat or the skin: I just want to find a compromise instead of picking one feature over the other. So, can we try and find such a compromise without getting overly passionate about this situation? And keep in mind Gen, "everyone else agreed upon" isn't an accurate statement: most everyone else who voted agreed. Let's be frank: not a lot of Users involve themselves in such matters like this. So, can we all be calm about this and find some even ground so that we can all be satisfied with this?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 08:52, September 5, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 09:01, September 5, 2011 (UTC) I'm only going to tell you this one more time, and I'll make it short and sweet: People agreed to enable the chat and limit the number of non-Sonic blogs, only 2 people are complaining so far (one of them being completely irrrational about things), and I don't see the point in changing anything we just approved just because only a few people are against the new rule. Not repeating myself. Good day, sir. (sighs) Okay, I don't know what got you so pissed off Gen. My problem isn't that non-Sonic blogs were limited, but they were forbidden. If there were some sort of limit that still allowed people to make the blogs, then that's a perfectly reasonable compromise, isn't it? I'm sorry that for some reason you refuse on trying to compromise or find a balance, because that certainly isn't like you. Is anyone else willing to try and find middle ground at all? Anyone?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 09:05, September 5, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 09:11, September 5, 2011 (UTC) The only thing I'm irritated about is that I'm just merely trying to explain to you why I'm against this amendment, but you're giving me the impression that you aren't listening to me as well as you should be. It feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Gen, you do realize that when we have this problem, it's merely the fact that neither is able to properly convey thoughts to the other. At least, from past experience that's how I see it.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 09:13, September 5, 2011 (UTC) I disagree with Kagimizu. I think it's better to have non-Sonic conversations in the chat and not in blogs because it would give the wiki a better layout for "all-things-Sonic". I find non-Sonic related blogs a bit annoying because it is off-topic and such topics are those kind of topics that are to share with a few friends. Thus, I do not really find the website any Sonic-like or appealing the way it should be if the Recent Wiki Activity is loaded with a topic that is under "My dad did this..." or "This guy died" because it spoils the presentation of the wesbite and I am afraid such topics are a bit too personal. If anyone would like to express such topics in the website then they can go to the chat, which is also safer. And I believe the point is to just share something even if it's a chat. Would you really mind it if it weren't a blog? I edit here for many reasons, and I try to aim at anyone. But there are specific readers I aim for, I am not sure if other users aim towards these kind of people but: Readers who are new to Sonic Readers who are not even Sonic fans Readers who would just like to check this website out. I always aim for these readers the most and I always wonder, "How would a non-Sonic fan read this?" which helps me when I am contributing. What if these readers see that the Recent Activity if filled with a topic aimed at a certain user? That wouldn't look very nice, would it? So I think it's better that we stop these non-Sonic blogs so that the wiki appears to look more busy, active and more Sonic-like rather then just some talkative socialized users that make this wiki look like a socializing website because "they just want to talk about something". I have very high concerns for this amendment. I do not want anymore of this socializing fuss in this website. It's better that the community looks more organized in the Recent Activity rather then to just fill it up with non-Sonic related blog posts.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:29, September 5, 2011 (UTC) 58, this is a community. No matter what socializing is gonna happen, and people should be free to do so. Should Recent Activity be filled to the brim with blogs? No, of course not. But do you really think that it will change anything if the people who do nothing but blogging have to take it to a chat? It's just gonna be the same problem on a different setting, with even less editing. With blogs people at least have to look at Recent Activity to see new comments, which in turn causes them to see other edits on the site. Make them go to the chat for all of their socializing and that's where they're gonna spend their entire day, with almost no actual editing. SNN will never be a site where people are solely focused on the subject content of the wiki: it's just how the people who inhabit the wiki are. I agree on one point though: TOO MANY BLOGS. However, I personally believe taking the blogs away entirely won't work, due to the aforementioned reasons. That's why I want to try and find some sort of balance. If people are allowed to use both, then maybe the wiki will actually have less blogging and more actual contributing. With two outlets instead of one, the blogs are bound to reduce on their own.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:14, September 5, 2011 (UTC) I disagree with this "Amendment". My reason being is the chat was made to cut down the number of irrelevant blogs, if you pass this amendment, it would make the whole reason of the chat's purpose gone. The chat was made to cut down the number of non-Sonic blogs, and so far, I've been on the chat for a lot of the time I am on the computer, I've seen many people enjoying it, and talking about non-Sonic subjects there. No one has complained about not being able to make blogs there. And so far, only two people have complained about this rule in general, while an overwhelming percent of the community agreed to having the chat, and not being able to make non-Sonic blogs. I do not see a reason for you to try and push your opinion farther when everyone else in the community disagrees with you. A lot of the community has already agreed to this, and the community already loves this new feature, and could care less about the blog rule. This is a 100% Positive outcome. The community is pleased, and the number of irrelevant blogs is cut down, as well as the recent activity not being flooded with Non-Sonic things. I don't see why you need to push your opinion farther in order to just get your way. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount (sighs) How many times do I have to say it? I want the blogs cut down too people!! I just don't think they need to be banned entirely to do it!! Geez!!--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:24, September 5, 2011 (UTC) Alright, alright! I'm going to try to give an example. Now I'm going to do so in the form of a few questions. I don't want anyone to go into long, detailed explanations about their opinion ATM, even if you do know where I'm going with these questions. In order to properly understand what I'm trying to get at, please just answer the questions to the bes of your ability. NOW, question one: What happens to water when it's under pressure, and only given one outlet?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:42, September 5, 2011 (UTC) I am in support of this amendment. I'm not sure I like the idea of limiting non-Sonic blogs at all, but then again, irrelevance goes everywhere, and can be potentially annoying. I understand everything in the amendment. I find it to be reasonable.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 04:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Finally some much-needed support.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 04:54, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Forget the complaining. Let's jsut use the two features and get over this complaining. And i was always agreed --CesarTeamHYRO 05:13, September 6, 2011 (UTC) I don't know if that's a good or bad comment, but that's the basic idea: use both instead of one or the other. So you agree with an amendment Cesar?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 05:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Totally agreed --CesarTeamHYRO 05:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Kagi, look. We are not cutting out blogs entirely, only a certain type that can be said on the chat. Is that hurting anybody? No. You are saying that it would be hard to see the latest blog post on the Activity, I mean seriously? These blogs make it hard to check people's edits! I have a very hard time because the list is nothing but people bickering around about non-Sonic related topics. Make this wiki look Sonic. Keeping a balance will make our work even harder because people will be talking with complete freedom on any topic in both blogs and chat.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:50, September 6, 2011 (UTC) And that is why I say "limit, but don't ban".--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 14:09, September 6, 2011 (UTC) We are limiting. That was the whole point! Non-Sonic discussions in the chat, the rest of the topics can be done in either blog or chat.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:17, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Okay, since you're obviously not getting it, I'll be meticulous: "limit [the non-Sonic blogs], but don't ban [the non-Sonic blogs]". Understand now?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 16:01, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Got any ideas for that to be possible?--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 17:37, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Oh I don't know, maybe the ideas I suggested when I created this forum?? In other words, Sonic blogs unlimited, personal blogs unlimited (life is life: you never know what will happen when, and should be free to share it), and as for the general non-Sonic blogs: either limited to two created per week for each User, or with the chat acting as another outlet for such discussions, a different limit or no limit at all.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 18:42, September 6, 2011 (UTC) I would hard to limit the amount of blogs people make per week. Myself 123 18:47, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Um.....? Myself, care to repeat? I don't understand the comment.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 19:30, September 6, 2011 (UTC) The point was that there are too many non-Sonic blogs. Nobody really disputes this. We now have fewer non-Sonic blogs, although we had to enable a chat feature to make it happen. Kagi, you would like to make more non-Sonic blogs again. That is going the wrong way. You can tell us you want to reduce non-Sonic blogs all you like, but your suggestion is still going to make more of them. The fact is, I want SNN to be a respected encyclopedia and source of Sonic information; the rest of the internet sees us as a glorified furry social network. I would like to change this perception. As for your specific suggestions, I'm just going to point out that restricting the number of blogs people make is unworkable and that blogs about your schedules and vacations (that is, blogs in which you say "I will not be editing on this wiki during a certain period") are still allowed because they relate to this wiki and not just your personal life. -- Supermorff 19:35, September 6, 2011 (UTC) The rest of the internet doesn't have the guts to come on here and say it: they just hide on forums and insult us like the Trolls they are. I don't want "more non-Sonic blogs", I just don't want them "banned entirely". Haters are gonna hate Morff: it doesn't matter how much we improve the wiki, people who hate us and hate Sonic in general will continue to see us as a glorified furry social network, because we spend our time on a wiki about something they taunt and/or dislike. What we should focus on is more internal, as in the people who populate this wiki and our affiliates. And by personal blogs, I also mean like "It's my birthday today", "starting school today"; stuff you'd like to get out there, but wouldn't want to constantly repeat to people.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:02, September 6, 2011 (UTC) I meant to say: "It would be hard to limit the amount of blogs per week." Sorry, there's a lot of comments here and it's making my computer run reeeeeeeeeally sloooooooow. Myself 123 20:26, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Kagi, I think this is just another one of those occasions when I disagree with the very fundamental basis of your argument. I particularly think it's funny that you think only people that hate Sonic hate SNN, but I can tell you that this isn't true. I've been on a fair few Sonic fansites that think we're pretty rubbish because of our focus on blogs and fancharacters and, yes, social networking. Frankly, sometimes, I think we're pretty rubbish for our focus on blogs and fancharacters and social networking. And, yes, I actually know what a personal blog is, thank you. -- Supermorff 20:42, September 6, 2011 (UTC) I think part of the reason we have a focus on Blogs is because we only have so much information to deal out to the articles. If there is nothing else to add/nothing else known about the subject in the article at this time, then of course we're going to try to find something else to do. As it happens, I find myself like this all the time.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 21:04, September 6, 2011 (UTC) Bingo. We've got most of the information on the Sonic franchise as-is. Anything we don't have is on M.E. or StC wiki. Without anything to work on, people will of course prefer to socialize.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:50, September 6, 2011 (UTC) To what extent would you like to limit these non-Sonic blogs, Kagi? You might have to make that point clear. What do you think shouldn't be allowed? Supermorff, I am starting to dislike the chat. Everything is private and so therefore it is hard to judge on who to believe. There have been arguments that I am finding hard to handle because I live in the opposite direction of the U.S. Anybody else?--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 05:30, September 7, 2011 (UTC) I believe I mentioned that little problem on my blog. And my limit suggestion is stuff like world news and non-Sonic franchises, with blogs about those subjects being limited to only two per week for each User.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 06:48, September 7, 2011 (UTC) On a little side-note, I am having some freaky problems on the wiki with editing. I can't see any of the icons you'd click to put stuff like bold text or signatures in place. Also, all the multiple edits are on full display, rather than compacted. This is happening both here and Yu-Gi-Oh wiki, and I dunno what's up. So, I'm gonna have a little trouble editing.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 06:55, September 7, 2011 (UTC) How are users going to be convinced about this solution you speak of? Also, you might have some browser problems.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 06:59, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Users against non-Sonic blogs: it's better than having too much stuff on either the chat or the blogs. Use both with some restrictions to distribute the pressure. Users for non-Sonic blogs: It's either take them back with some limitations, or lose them period. Beggers can't be choosers. And that might be it, but why is it affecting only two wikis??--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 07:04, September 7, 2011 (UTC) I don't see how this solution can reduce the number of blogs as a whole. Sorry, I am not sure.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:07, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Well, it's a start at least. We could try going with two blogs a week at first, and if that's still too much than perhaps just 1. And if that doesn't work, we'll just go for either two per two weeks, or just one per two weeks. Dang. Well, since it's only affecting two wikis I know it isn't Wikia as a whole or that new editing system. But if it is only two wikis, then why...?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 07:12, September 7, 2011 (UTC) I think non-Sonic blogs aren't made regularly. They are made once or twice every week and the main problem in commenting. The Recent Wiki Activity is loaded with comments right now. Just keep scrolling. I am not experiencing any such problems in this wiki.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:16, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Well, how popular or unpopular a blog becomes is a variable no-one can properly control or predict. The activity proves that non-Sonic or not, people are gonna talk. Try looking at it via Monobook. And make sure the "Edit Redesign" in Wikia Labs is inactive: it really screws up editing for people not using Oasis.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 07:23, September 7, 2011 (UTC) So, now what? It's really hard to sniff out vandalism. Well, for me that is. I'll try it, maybe.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:28, September 7, 2011 (UTC) And that's why there are multiple admins. Well, now SNN is the only wiki being fickle. Yu-Gi-Oh wiki now works just fine :/ Wierd.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 07:29, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Few who contribute. I used to have the same problem with Monaco.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:37, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Most who are busy or see little problem with the wiki, and as such spend their time elsewhere. Well, it seems fixed now.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:48, September 7, 2011 (UTC) Okay, time to get this thing back on track.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 18:16, September 9, 2011 (UTC) Well, that's all I had to say.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 04:06, September 10, 2011 (UTC) So, does anyone else mind this compromise?--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 00:00, September 12, 2011 (UTC) Yeah, I don't like it. Although this conversation veered so badly into technical issues that I'm not actually sure the details of your current suggestion, I'm going to argue against anything that results in more non-Sonic blogs on this wiki now that we've finally managed to cut them down. -- Supermorff 19:10, September 12, 2011 (UTC) Cut them down is one thing. Remove them completely is another. Also if you haven't noticed Morff.... people are still mainly talking on the wiki more than anything still.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 08:51, September 13, 2011 (UTC) But that changes nothing. If I'd wanted to remove them completely, I would have suggested not turning the chat on and banning not just non-Sonic blogs but fanfic blogs as well, and getting rid of not only new ones but deleting old ones (which I still might suggest at a later date). You keep saying you're suggesting a compromise, but the original idea to cut down on blogs was already a compromise. It's just a compromise you didn't like, and you were outvoted. Maybe making this place respectable is a pipe dream, but I still have hope that it's possible. Please let's not go backwards. -- Supermorff 19:20, September 13, 2011 (UTC) It can be respectable without being all about business. The fact that we have this many Users who have so much free time is a testament to how far the wiki has come.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC) What does that even mean? People spend a lot of time on Facebook, but I wouldn't go there expecting high quality information about Sonic the Hedgehog. And people aren't coming here expecting that either. -- Supermorff 07:46, September 14, 2011 (UTC) Business? We aren't making money here nor are we forcing people to "work". Mainspace contributing is a fun hobby and we need more people doing it!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:43, September 14, 2011 (UTC) It isn't for everyone 58. Should people contribute? Of course they should! But people also want to come here to talk to other Sonic fans about Sonic, and more. Believe me, wikis that do nothing but expect you to contribute: not that fun. Good reads, but not very interesting beyond that.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 06:51, September 15, 2011 (UTC) I said we need more people doing it, quit being so thick-headed about whatever I say.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:18, September 15, 2011 (UTC) Kagi, again, I just disagree. If people want to socialise and not contribute to the wiki, they could easily do it somewhere else. And if they don't enjoy contributing (and I confess that I do enjoy it, else I wouldn't be here), why are they here in the first place? SNN does not have to be the be all and end all of Sonic fan sites; it does have to be the be all and end all of online Sonic canon encyclopedias. -- Supermorff 15:56, September 15, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 16:10, September 15, 2011 (UTC) I share the same setiments as Supermorff. It should be very obvious what this site is supposed to be as soon as you glance at the front page, so I'd be surprised if people would come on here and automatically assume this place to be something like Facebook, the only difference being that you can actually edit various pages you see around the site. Okay... insult from 58 being set aside, I get what you guys mean. But IMO, the best way to go about this is to give people more reason to actually contribute, rather than taking away reasons not to. If you take away what keeps people from contributing more, people will leave rather than edit. But if you give them more reason to contribute more instead, then most people probably will. That will give them some sort of work ethic, and hopefully a sense of pride in contributing to the wiki.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:15, September 15, 2011 (UTC) But giving people blogs is only encouraging them to edit blogs, not contributing to the wiki. It's a nice sentiment, but it hasn't managed to foster any work ethic yet, and I don't see how it could. In fact, to paraphrase your own comment on the other site discussion, blogs are attracting users who do absolute s**t on the rest of the wiki. (I'm not going to name names, but I could.) Do you want to attract more people like that? -- Supermorff 20:25, September 15, 2011 (UTC) True, but these Users are at least a part of the wiki to some extent, unlike on the chat. They're aware of what's going on on the wiki, and are capable of doing something. Now, I didn't say giving them blogs would foster any work ethic, did I? I just said taking them away would drive more people away than get them to contribute. There's gotta be something we can do to get these people working on mainspace articles: we just don't know what it is yet.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 20:48, September 15, 2011 (UTC) People who use only blogs are part of the wiki to exactly the same extent as people who use only chat. The difference is that they are more visible on the wiki because their comments fill up the recent changes and their blogs don't disappear when someone logs out. -- Supermorff 21:08, September 15, 2011 (UTC) Yeah, and that lets us keep track of stuff happening on blogs. That's also why people have the option of excluding Blog comments from Recent Changes, which actually moots that point of the argument: if people don't wanna see it, they don't have to. Just exclude those posts from Recent Changes.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 21:12, September 15, 2011 (UTC) All this goes back to my original statement that we're running out of material to cover. This is a big part of why mainspace edits aren't very prominent anymore. We have very little (if not nothing) more to add to anything. The best we can do is add to whatever we have for the next game/comic/other and update character articles accordingly. Other than that, I don't know what else can be done.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 22:57, September 15, 2011 (UTC) How long have two admins and one bureaucrat been not agreeing about any suggestion you have made so far? Yet, you persist on trying to make us listen to you. Don't expect us to do what you want when we have been disagreeing eversince this discussion was made. We generally disagree with you, that's it. --58SlugDrones • (Contact) 04:53, September 16, 2011 (UTC) Well then, let's find a way to make this work. It's like Akamia said when it comes to mainspace edits.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 06:38, September 16, 2011 (UTC) I don't agree with Akamia about mainspace edits. I think there's plenty of room for improvement, and plenty of pages that need to be added or improved. -- Supermorff 16:38, September 16, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 19:31, September 16, 2011 (UTC) Once again, I agree with Supermorff. If one decides to look at our non-game media and compare it to other Sonic websites that cover the same media (the biggest example being our comics section, IMO), then they will see just how much information we're lacking compared to these other sites. I remember seeing Archie articles that are relatively small (if not stubs, outright) compared to articles that can be seen on Mobius Encyclopedia, which have paragraphs of additional information more than what we have for our articles. There are a lot of pages that need to be updated and made, especially on a regular basis, and Akima or anyone else thinking otherwise doesn't change that fact. It doesn't change the fact that we only have so much material to cover, either. Besides, I wouldn't know much about our comic material. I don't have a subscription to a comic series yet, nor do I read the comic articles at this point in time. I was talking about our game material.--Akamia(Talk)(Want to see what I've been doing?) 20:48, September 16, 2011 (UTC) Genesjs – "I don't die. I just go on adventures." TALK – 01:38, September 17, 2011 (UTC) We may have only so much material to cover, but that doesn't mean that new material isn't still being made which, in all honesty, we should be right on top of as soon as its released. The new information is only there if you look for it. However, us having covered decent amounts of game information or not is irrelevant, because it doesn't change the situation we have with our other media sections, much of it being out of date and lacking needed articles. Agreed--69.135.192.27 20:31, September 22, 2011 (UTC) Rainbowroad6w – Your mom. TALK – 00:44, September 26, 2011 (UTC) Ok hold up. Are we done here? Because I have something to say. First off, the only reason I'm more of a "blogger" as you guys like to say it is because editing mainspace pages here is very hard, because we've given all the information we can get and give. And every time I see new info, I'm too late to update it on this wiki, as someone else has already done so and gotten there before me. The only thing I've been able to do recently that isn't blogs is Sonic the Hedgehog Extreme, because I got there first. So then, I have nothing else to do. When I make a blog, I'm mostly giving the info, and someone else updates before I get the chance to myself. So there is another reason I blog more. Also, vandals come here all the time. And since there isn't anything else to do on the wiki, I go and undo those edits. That's the only stuff I can find to do on mainspace (and this is why I want to become rollback, to make it easier), because, to tell you the truth, fixing grammar is not fun. I don't want my mainspace edits to be full of just junk that was off of me fixing grammar. Now as for the non-Sonic blog posts, I agree with this as much as I disagree with it. I think that people posting blogs every 5 minutes that aren't non-Sonic blog posts is annoying. But I also don't believe that it should be restricted that non-Sonic blog posts don't appear here. I think that there should be around 3 per week. And, let's say it's updated somewhere where users can notice (I have no idea what this would be... if you have an idea, say it), and it will say how many have been posted. Once it's at 3, you say you restrict further non-Sonic blog posts until the next week. And maybe we should give the advice that people should post it at the right time when it's smart to do so. Now, don't get on to me about this idea. It's what I do; throwing out random ideas that need a lot of work with them before they get anywhere (that's just how I do it). So then, there is my long comment on this forum. I've been waiting to say something, but I knew I first had to read everything else in order to say something here so I don't just randomly pop out of nowhere and say something completely random. So I decided to take the time and read this whole page for about 45 minutes. That was pretty annoying. Rainbow, there's always something to edit. My gaming experience has told me many things that aren't already listed on the wiki. And doing grammar edits may be small, but it's still mainspace work and will show that you really care about the wiki and may give you the admin title you've been looking for. As for non-Sonic blogging, it is very unnecessary. It's completely irrelevant and this is Sonic wiki, not a blog about whatever you want wiki. It would be extremely difficult to control the amount of non-Sonic blogs. Just accept the rules the way they are. --  Splash the Otter   C  E  01:33, September 26, 2011 (UTC) Rainbowroad6w – Your face. TALK – 01:44, September 26, 2011 (UTC) I'm gonna have to disagree. Now, making completely unrelated stuff (like that dude that made a blog about mehing) that doesn't even have the name Sonic in it is unnecessary. I don't believe we need that. And grammar edits I do, I'm saying I don't enjoy doing them. And as for editing mainspace, I don't really do all that much adding to what is in a game. I edit more on about the game. That's how I've always sort of been when it comes to editing.