| Can we please make a rule against uploading images that start with a number? Please?
I'll explain. We currently have a rule against uploading duplicate images. That's fine, though frequently ignored. Now, due to some unknown mechanism in the wiki software, duplicate images often have filenames starting with the width of the image in pixels, followed by px then a dash and the original filename. So you'll often see, for example, File:250px-Sonic1.jpg which is a copy of File:Sonic1.jpg.
In fact, every single time an image with a name starting with number-px is uploaded, it must be a copy of an image on this site or another site. If it's from another site then, first of all, the uploader may not have permission to upload it. Even if it's from another Wikia wiki, the uploader has to state where he took it from and provide a link for attribution. That's part of the Wikia license. Second, assuming the upload is valid, then the uploader should be using the highest quality image from the other site and not one that would put number-px at the front. Third, the uploader should be taking the care to give the image a proper name, even if that just means taking off the number-px prefix. It's not that hard.
There's also the possibility that images might be uploaded starting with numbers but of a different format. Well they shouldn't be allowed either, and the same reasons apply. The uploader should be taking the care to give the image a proper title, rather than a random string of numbers and/or letters. I know we've got a lot of images of both kinds already uploaded, and if/once we pass the rule, I'd really like people to help rename them. -- Supermorff (talk) 07:53, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
My goodness, yes! I wholeheartedly agree! Files without descriptive file names just drive me nuts, same with file names with punctuation in them (they simply should not have it), or file names that are a single letter, or gibberish... I've also come across several duplicate images and had scoured the Sonic X image category for duplicates, replacing them and tagging the duplicates for deletion. hell, I just recently tagged a duplicate for deletion. Trak Nar Ramble on 07:56, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
HECKS YEAH!!! It drives me CRAZY! It's so hard to find the images I need for a page or my Userpage, just because it has numbers or another word that has nothing related to the picture. I support. --Willaca (talk) 08:05, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
I definitely support this, per everyone else so far. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 08:17, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
Per all. Serious Sam  Heavy 09:19, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
Since there's some support, can we also ban images with filenames starting with the word "Image"? -- Supermorff (talk) 11:15, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Is there any harm in file images that contain that word? Either way, it wouldn't matter to me. Serious Sam Heavy 11:17, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Not contain the word. Start with the word. Just go and look at how many images we've got that say something like ImagesCA0H0FEJ.jpg. Seriously, go and look. -- Supermorff (talk) 11:20, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I see your viewpoint. Well, I support that. Want me to rename those images for you in the meantime? Serious Sam Heavy 11:23, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- If you're willing and able, please do. -- Supermorff (talk) 11:33, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't mind supporting the banning of image files containing "Image" at the beginning of their names. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 19:29, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
This needs to be done immediately. I also agree with the Images prefix as well. Is there anything else we should ban? --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 17:29, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
I am in support of this. -- Splash the Otter C E 18:41, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
See no reason to oppose, and it seems like it would help a bit, I support. We all have our own styles we won't change 18:47, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
I support. ★EYCEST★R★ ★Contact★ 19:50, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
I support, but what will happen to the files that already start with numbers?
!--->SilverPlays97<---! (talk) 20:14, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
- The files with numbers already in them will simply be renamed so that the file names no longer have the numbers. ★EYCEST★R★ ★Contact★ 22:28, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
Death to File:1u4rwiud.jpg! Death to RandomLetter...jpg! Death to Image-1hdi.jpg! Long live descriptive file names! Trak Nar Ramble on 03:37, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed some more: can we also get rid of images starting with DSC? -- Supermorff (talk) 06:27, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Along with anything that was from Tumblr? And other such nonsense prefixes that we really don't need? And single-letter filenames shouldn't be permitted, either, and thus this would be one of the many images to be moved to a more descriptive file name. Having letters at the end of the filname to denote the source, like "KnuxCloak-StC.jpg" or something would be fine in my opinion. Trak Nar Ramble on 06:34, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how you'd identify things from tumblr, and I'm trying to be specific regarding the nonsense prefixes so if you have any others, list them. I'm fine with getting rid of single-letter filenames, though. -- Supermorff (talk) 06:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Files from Tumblr actually have "tumblr" in the file name. I'll go hunt down an example... Trak Nar Ramble on 07:24, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Found an example. Seeing as how this filename starts with "Tumblr," then it's most likely from Tumblr and whoever uploaded it didn't change the file name. Trak Nar Ramble on 07:35, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Please, ban these. Serious Sam
 Heavy 09:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, so what we have so far... We will ban:
- Filenames starting with a number
- Filenames starting with "Image"
- Filenames starting with "DSC"
- Filenames containing "tumblr"
- Single-letter filenames
Any more? -- Supermorff (talk) 10:17, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
How about File names like asdsdgffjujdfnk.png or something. Cause I have seen a few like that. --Willaca (talk) 10:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Here's an Example [1] . --Willaca (talk) 10:28, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
I think that you can make an abuse filter that will prevent people from uploading files with such names. I'll ask Darth Culator tomorrow, as he makes all our filters on the Wook. He may have one handy that you can import. Trak Nar Ramble on 10:33, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Willaca, your example begins with a number so is already covered. As for the rest, you need to be more specific about what you want to ban. I do have an addition, though, which is filenames beginning with "thumbnail". -- Supermorff (talk) 11:12, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree with the Thumbnail. And as for my example, I was only saying about stuff similar to it (lets say with out numbers). Such as File:asdfjfisekigjk.jpg. Not saying that's an actual file (or at least I know of). But that's the kinda stuff I mean.--Willaca (talk) 11:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific? While I understand what you're getting at, it's not concrete enough to make a rule. -- Supermorff (talk) 12:33, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Well. It does make it hard to find when your putting a picture onto a page. Also the file name may be counted as spam due to it having random letters and such. --Willaca (talk) 13:02, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Got another one for you: Any image starting with punctuation or symbols of any kind. I've seen more than a few that started with "-". Trak Nar Ramble on 03:22, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
There are some that start with pic or picture. I also found one that starts with pics.
TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 03:36, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Pic and punctuation are good. We'll add those. (Trak, don't suppose you saw File:!.png?)
- I have now, and now I know who to maim. :P Kidding, of course. Trak Nar Ramble on 06:23, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
- Willaca, you're explaining your position (which you don't need to, because I understand and agree), but you're not being more specific with the guideline. I'll give an example to show why you need to be specific: File:Efmd1991hub.png is a valid image name (because it is EF-MD1991 in a hub), but it looks like a random string of letters and numbers and so could be deleted under your vague rule.
- Latest list:
- Filenames starting with numbers
- Filenames starting with "image"
- Filenames starting with "pic"
- Filenames starting with "thumbnail"
- Filenames containing "tumblr"
- Filenames starting with punctuation
- Filenames starting with "DSC"
- Single-character filenames
- Any more? -- Supermorff (talk) 06:19, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
IDK maybe upload? I couldn't find any, but it's possible they'll exist.
TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 07:54, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
- There are no pages beginning with upload. -- Supermorff (talk) 08:09, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
I know, I was only talking about the possibility, but nevermind I guess.
TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 08:33, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
I think I can be more specific about Willica's suggestion. Maybe we could look for a certain amount (IDK 3?) of consecutive letters (mostly consonants) or numbers, as Morff's example doesn't seem invalid if you actually analyze it, because it has 4 numbers and letters (except for the hyphen) in a row.TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 09:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Could you please explain that? I don't understand the suggestion. -- Supermorff (talk) 10:00, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, ok, so i'll take another example, E-101 Beta, Vs and invalid thingy like asfwu0f. E-101 has enough consecutive letters, numers, and a hyphen aswell. The latter has vowels that aern't in the correct places, and only has one number right in the middle (0). If we can find a certain pattern in all of the valid ones, then maybe we could look for that the next time. BTW, will the banning of file names be automated. IDK if there really is no pattern, then just do it manually, but i'm pretty sure there is a pattern there. It may be abused though, like 0-123 max, but I think were good for the most part, since people taking the time to actually come up with something like that (It took me like 30 secs.) would've been done by the time it takes them to put in a valid name, unless they're trolls. So i'd go with it, because the think messing up can probably be fixed by contacting an admin or something. Does this help??TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 10:10, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- If you have an abuse filter in place, the banning of such file names can be automated. It wouldn't require the admins to watch the upload log, just a filter to stop someone from uploading a file with a name that triggers the filter and a message telling them that they need to enter a descriptive file name before the upload will go through. I think we may have a similar filter on Wookieepedia, so I'll ask Culator if he can give me some tips on it. Trak Nar Ramble on 10:14, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Alright, that's what I assumed. The thing is though, is that I don't know of any patterns to help discern valid file names, and invalid ones, but I think the one I had up top should suffice. Maybe if it triggers the filter on a valid file name you could ask an admin or something, which is what I was getting at. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 10:21, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I would be really happy with an automatic filter for filenames, but I still don't understand Awesomefroggy's suggestion. I don't see how any automated filter would be able to differentiate Asfwu0f.png from Efmd1991hub.png. -- Supermorff (talk) 11:04, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how if would either, but i'm suggesting to look for any sort of pattern. Like, a Q i've heard can only have a U after it, so maybe block out any other letters. That's a start, but I guess usernames could have stuff like that, ie. *users* drawing of Sonic, or something. Maybe look for letters that cannot be followed by another vowel or where there has to be one, but that'd probably take too much time IDK. BTW I like how you actually put in exactly what I typed (except a lowercase A). :D TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 11:21, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
We could let stuff like E-1 or E-2 to pass, like the E-Series BTW. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 11:24, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be best to stick with the list we've identified, for now. The current list is:
- Filenames starting with numbers
- Filenames starting with "image"
- Filenames starting with "pic"
- Filenames starting with "thumbnail"
- Filenames containing "tumblr"
- Filenames starting with punctuation
- Filenames starting with "DSC"
- Single-character filenames
There doesn't seem to be any objection to these, so if Trak can get something from Culator to help setup a filter, I think we can set it up now. -- Supermorff (talk) 12:44, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
Do you think we should ban stuff like tmblr, tumbler, pik, thmnail, ect.?? You know, if someone gets lazy and just takes out a letter to get by. It's sorta like when filters prevent certain comments, and people just spell it wrong or use obscure synonyms. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 13:52, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- For now, let's follow Wikipedia's advice and not overthink this. If people start loopholing, then we can consider closing them. -- Supermorff (talk) 15:35, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, but one question, how does it only say "Wikipedia's advice when that line thingy that divides the link to what the text appears as isin't there??? Glitch?TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 15:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- It's an external link, not a wikilink. -- Supermorff (talk) 16:02, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 16:06, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I left a message on Culator's talk page, asking for help with the filter. I'd link to his talk page, but many Wookieepedians have a bit of a potty mouth. :P Trak Nar Ramble on 04:24, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! Fingers crossed that he responds soon. If he doesn't, I wonder if it might be worth asking at Community Central's forums? They tend to know coding and things. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:30, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
- What I think it will involve is a blacklist of disallowed words and prefixes. The file would trigger the filter because its name would contain something in that blacklist, and then the upload would be throttled and a message displayed to tell the uploader to input a file name that won't trigger the filter. The numbers one would be the trickiest, but I think that just blacklisting the "250px" and similar prefixes would help. Blacklisting all punctuation and symbol prefixes as well, blacklisting single letters, and blacklisting prefixes such as "DSC", "Image", "Pic", and "tumblr" should help to deter quite a bit of nondescript filenames. It won't stop them all, so at least one admin should keep an eye on the upload log, but it should stop most. Trak Nar Ramble on 09:45, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
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BlueSpeeder – Call me "Mr. Archive."
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Yes, it would be quite better if pictures didn't have numbers in the front of it. I totally support this, especially since galleries don't have search images when we want a picture of "Sonic" and when we search for images of Sonic.
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Pacmansonic138 – Watch out! You're gonna crash! Ahhh!
TALK – 19:23, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
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I support, it drives me nuts as well.
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Trak, have you heard anything back yet/made any progress on a filter? If not, I think we should probably change the policy page anyway. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:55, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
- bump* I think we should probably close this at this point, filter or not. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 22:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Haven't heard squat about making a filter, and my attempts at doing so myself failed. Your best bet would be to involve Wikia staff. Trak Nar Ramble on 09:03, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
- I rather not get them involved, so if it's okay with everyone, I'll close this tomorrow. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 21:50, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
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