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Result: Kicking randomly for personal enjoyment is not allowed without victim's permission.

Well, the title dictates what i am saying; Because there is nothing "friendly" about it. Sometime in the chat, a user will ask an admit or a chat mod to kick them (Example: "hey admit guy, KICK ME!")for humor. Now this is perfectly fine. What also happens an admit or a chat mod will kick a user, not because the user wasn't following the Chat Rules, but for humor. This is unexceptionable. The kick tool was made to give users warnings, not for comedy. A admit or chat mod doing this is setting a bad example. May i note some users take kicks quite offensively. We should add to the Admit How-To Gide to never use a kick in the chat room for humor (the one exception is stated above). Behavior like this is abusing admit's rights and should be punished. I ask for your approval so we can implement this. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 00:50, November 4, 2012 (UTC)}

I have no reason to hide that I've rarely made a few "joke kicks", though I've never been informed by the victim that they've taken it offensively. In any case, yes, I have broken one of the Administrator's rules regarding the chat, and any punishment that may be necessary will not be argued against. Serious Sam Heavy 00:53, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Totally agree. Splash The Hedgehog 00:55, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Pacmansonic138 – Watch out! You're gonna crash! Ahhh!
TALK – ~~00:59, November 4, 2012 (UTC)~~

~~I agree, but doesn't most of this stuff happen on the SCP Studios Chat?~~

The SCP Chat is owned by User:SonicTheHedgehogDude, thus, he is the decision-maker of his chat laws. The same cannot apply here, as the community is larger. Serious Sam

Heavy 01:01, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

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Friendly Kicking happened on the SCP Chat before chat rules was put in place, Pac.

@dude, pac, & sacor: if you are going to talk about SCP chat rules, please talk about it on your wiki. SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 01:08, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

We were just done talking about it. Journalistic 01:09, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Per Splash. Will RoseScout /=\"+ THIS. SIGNATURE. IS. FALSE. 01:04, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

SilverPlays97 > We can't really do anything about this if you do not provide evidence of these "friendly kicks" occurring on the SNN chat. I need to know which users have been abusing the kick option, and they will be swiftly warned to cease this behavior. If they continue to misuse the option, then I will recommend a demotion be put up on the Request for User Rights page. Furthermore, there is no need to mention "don't use kick for humor" on the Administrator's how-to guide considering that page isn't for telling do's and don'ts. Disciplinary actions will naturally be taken for those that choose to abuse their rights. ★EYCEST★R★ ★Contact★ 04:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you meant "unacceptable" not "unexceptionable". Also, we're called "admins" not "admits". In response to your actual points, DF is exactly right. -- Supermorff (talk) 09:33, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Everything I intend to say about this has pretty much been stated already by DarkFuture. THE REFLEX ^dancing on the _valentine 13:05, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Pacmansonic138 – Watch out! You're gonna crash! Ahhh!
TALK – 01:48, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Per DF.

Personally, I don't really mind the kicking for humor thing. I mean if a user asks to be kicked, it's within their right to ask and as long as the mod/admin and other user are in agreement, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I will openly admit that I've been asked to do it. In most cases it was asked to be done not for comedic purposes, but for self-disciplinary actions chosen to be done so by the users who asked me to kick them. In either of the cases, no harm was ever done when the actions were done. -- Splash the Otter C E 03:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with DF on this one ♥ I am the Living Emerald, don't you DARE mess with me! ♥

Although I've been silent on this matter for a little while, I also agree with DF's arguments. Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 11:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

@Free. I think you misunderstood. Silver said that when an admin is asked to do it, it's fine. But when an admin does it for a joke without being asked, it's not fine. -- Supermorff (talk) 18:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh I see, per DF then. -- Splash the Otter C E 02:31, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Since when was this a problem in the first place? --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 03:46, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

I've actually been on the wrong end of these kicks on a different chat system (Xat, to be specific, roughly two years ago), and I have to admit when it's abused it can become annoying and offensive. However when it's clearly done as part of a joke and both ends of the kick are in on it and know it doesn't mean anything, it's harmless. It really depends on the situation I suppose, but generally it can be irresponsible.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 05:11, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

What does incidents that occur to you off-site have to do with issues being addressed with this site's chat? Lloyd the Cat"I don't die. I just go on adventures." 06:56, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, Kagi was stating his opinion on the matter using a past example as a basis. Although, compared to Xat, this wiki does indeed supply rules for our chat system, so the subject matter slightly differs in that sense (considering the fact that friendly kicking is not something to be taken lightly as stated in the policy). Serious Sam

Heavy 12:16, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Well if one user has been kicked several time and needs to be examined for a ban or block Admins could think that the user was in trouble when it is only as a joke Splash The Hedgehog 23:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes as Sacor said I was basing my opinion on previous chat experiences. And I have been engaged (on both ends, admittedly) in friendly kicking on SFW, where it's taken less seriously. However, two admins getting into a kicking match is quite different from a mod/admin versus a normal User. While I see no harm when all present realize it's intended as a harmless joke and none take offense to it, should someone treat it as a serious matter or find it offensive (regardless of being the one kicked or not), then matters should be taken and the "friendly kicking" should cease immediately.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 00:39, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kagi, your logic is confusing. If a mod/admin chooses to abuse their power, and kick someone for the hell of it, that is an issue. The person may not have wanted to leave chat, and it's just a hassle. It also sets a bad example for other mods and admins, who will follow in suit. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 01:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Per Bullet and for my own reasons. Basically, actions should be judged by the actions themselves and not by peoples reactions to it. Regaurdless of weather or not they find it offensive, funny, or just don't care a lot, it's still the same action: abusing your power for "humor" or "just cuz". I find that completely unacceptable. TheAwesomefroggy (talk) 18:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

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-Well, the title dictates what i am saying; Because there is nothing "friendly" about it. Sometime in the chat, a user will ask an admit or a chat mod to kick them (Example: "hey admit guy, KICK ME!")for humor. Now this is perfectly fine. What also happens an admit or a chat mod will kick a user, not because the user wasn't following the [[Sonic_News_Network:Chat_policy|Chat Rules]], but for humor. '''This is unexceptionable'''. The kick tool was made to give users warnings, not for comedy. A admit or chat mod doing this is setting a bad example. May i note some users take kicks quite offensively. We should add to the [[Help:Administrators%27_how-to_guide|Admit How-To Gide]] to never use a kick in the chat room for humor (the one exception is stated above). Behavior like this is abusing admit's rights and should be punished. I ask for your approval so we can implement this. {{SilverSig}} 00:50, November 4, 2012 (UTC)}
+{{Closed|Kicking randomly for personal enjoyment is not allowed without victim's permission.|archive=
-I have no reason to hide that I've rarely made a few "joke kicks", though I've never been informed by the victim that they've taken it offensively. In any case, yes, I have broken one of the Administrator's rules regarding the chat, and any punishment that may be necessary will not be argued against. {{Sig/SG79}} 00:53, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+Well, the title dictates what i am saying; Because there is nothing "friendly" about it. Sometime in the chat, a user will ask an admit or a chat mod to kick them (Example: "hey admit guy, KICK ME!")for humor. Now this is perfectly fine. What also happens an admit or a chat mod will kick a user, not because the user wasn't following the [[Sonic_News_Network:Chat_policy|Chat Rules]], but for humor. '''This is unexceptionable'''. The kick tool was made to give users warnings, not for comedy. A admit or chat mod doing this is setting a bad example. May i note some users take kicks quite offensively. We should add to the [[Help:Administrators%27_how-to_guide|Admit How-To Gide]] to never use a kick in the chat room for humor (the one exception is stated above). Behavior like this is abusing admit's rights and should be punished. I ask for your approval so we can implement this. {{User:SilverPlays97/Sig}} 00:50, November 4, 2012 (UTC)}
+I have no reason to hide that I've rarely made a few "joke kicks", though I've never been informed by the victim that they've taken it offensively. In any case, yes, I have broken one of the Administrator's rules regarding the chat, and any punishment that may be necessary will not be argued against. {{User:Sacorguy79/Signature}} 00:53, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 Totally agree. [[File:TurquiseTH2.png|35px]][[User:SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:Turquoise">Splash</span>]][[User talk:SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:blue">The</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:turquoise">Hedgehog</span>]] 00:55, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-{{Pacmansonic138 |time = <strike>00:59, November 4, 2012 (UTC)</strike> |text = <strike>I agree, but doesn't most of this stuff happen on the SCP Studios Chat?</strike>}}
+{{User:Pacmansonic138/Talkbubble |time = <strike>00:59, November 4, 2012 (UTC)</strike> |text = <strike>I agree, but doesn't most of this stuff happen on the SCP Studios Chat?</strike>}}
-:The SCP Chat is owned by [[User:SonicTheHedgehogDude]], thus, he is the decision-maker of his chat laws. The same cannot apply here, as the community is larger. {{Sig/SG79}} 01:01, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+:The SCP Chat is owned by [[User:SonicTheHedgehogDude]], thus, he is the decision-maker of his chat laws. The same cannot apply here, as the community is larger. {{User:Sacorguy79/Signature}} 01:01, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-{{SonicTheHedgehogDude|time = 01:03, November 4, 2012 (UTC) |text = Friendly Kicking happened on the SCP Chat before chat rules was  put in place, Pac.}}
+{{User:SonicTheHedgehogDude/Talkbubble|time = 01:03, November 4, 2012 (UTC) |text = Friendly Kicking happened on the SCP Chat before chat rules was  put in place, Pac.}}
-:@dude, pac, & sacor: if you are going to talk about SCP chat rules, please talk about it on your wiki. {{SilverSig}} 01:08, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+:@dude, pac, & sacor: if you are going to talk about SCP chat rules, please talk about it on your wiki. {{User:SilverPlays97/Sig}} 01:08, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-:: We were just done talking about it. {{SonicDude}} 01:09, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+:: We were just done talking about it. {{User:SonicTheHedgehogDude/Signature}} 01:09, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-Per Splash. {{WillSig}} 01:04, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+Per Splash. {{User:Willaca/Signature}} 01:04, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-SilverPlays97 > We can't really do anything about this if you do not provide evidence of these "friendly kicks" occurring on the SNN chat. I need to know which users have been abusing the kick option, and they will be swiftly warned to cease this behavior. If they continue to misuse the option, then I will recommend a demotion be put up on the Request for User Rights page. Furthermore, there is no need to mention "don't use kick for humor" on the Administrator's how-to guide considering that page isn't for telling do's and don'ts. Disciplinary actions will naturally be taken for those that choose to abuse their rights. {{DFSig}}04:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+SilverPlays97 > We can't really do anything about this if you do not provide evidence of these "friendly kicks" occurring on the SNN chat. I need to know which users have been abusing the kick option, and they will be swiftly warned to cease this behavior. If they continue to misuse the option, then I will recommend a demotion be put up on the Request for User Rights page. Furthermore, there is no need to mention "don't use kick for humor" on the Administrator's how-to guide considering that page isn't for telling do's and don'ts. Disciplinary actions will naturally be taken for those that choose to abuse their rights. {{User:DarkFuture/Signature}}04:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 I'm pretty sure you meant "unacceptable" not "unexceptionable". Also, we're called "admins" not "admits". In response to your actual points, DF is exactly right. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] ([[User talk:Supermorff|talk]]) 09:33, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
-Everything I intend to say about this has pretty much been stated already by DarkFuture. {{SolaceSig}} 13:05, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+Everything I intend to say about this has pretty much been stated already by DarkFuture. {{User:Le Solace/Signature}} 13:05, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
+{{User:Pacmansonic138/Talkbubble |time = 01:48, November 5, 2012 (UTC) |text = Per DF.}}
+Personally, I don't really mind the kicking for humor thing. I mean if a user asks to be kicked, it's within their right to ask and as long as the mod/admin and other user are in agreement, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I will openly admit that I've been asked to do it. In most cases it was asked to be done not for comedic purposes, but for self-disciplinary actions chosen to be done so by the users who asked me to kick them. In either of the cases, no harm was ever done when the actions were done. -- {{User:FreeSmudger/Sig}} 03:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
+I'm with DF on this one {{User:Katrins/Signature2}}
+Although I've been silent on this matter for a little while, I also agree with DF's arguments. [[User:Genesjs|<span style="color:blueviolet;background:black"><big>'''Lloyd the Cat'''</big></span>]][[User talk:Genesjs|<small><font color="red">'''"I don't die. I just go on adventures."'''</font></small>]] 11:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
+@Free. I think you misunderstood. Silver said that when an admin is asked to do it, it's fine. But when an admin does it for a joke without being asked, it's not fine. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] ([[User talk:Supermorff|talk]]) 18:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
+Oh I see, per DF then. -- {{User:FreeSmudger/Sig}} 02:31, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
+:Since when was this a problem in the first place? --{{User:Bullet Francisco/Signature}} 03:46, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
+I've actually been on the wrong end of these kicks on a different chat system (Xat, to be specific, roughly two years ago), and I have to admit when it's abused it can become annoying and offensive. However when it's clearly done as part of a joke and both ends of the kick are in on it and know it doesn't mean anything, it's harmless. It really depends on the situation I suppose, but generally it can be irresponsible.--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]] 05:11, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
+:What does incidents that occur to you off-site have to do with issues being addressed with ''this'' site's chat? [[User:Genesjs|<span style="color:blueviolet;background:black"><big>'''Lloyd the Cat'''</big></span>]][[User talk:Genesjs|<small><font color="red">'''"I don't die. I just go on adventures."'''</font></small>]] 06:56, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
+::To be fair, Kagi ''was'' stating his opinion on the matter using a past example as a basis. Although, compared to Xat, this wiki does indeed supply rules for our chat system, so the subject matter slightly differs in that sense (considering the fact that friendly kicking is not something to be taken lightly as stated in the policy). {{User:Sacorguy79/Signature}} 12:16, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
+Well if one user has been kicked several time and needs to be examined for a ban or block Admins could think that the user was in trouble when it is only as a joke [[File:TurquiseTH2.png|35px]][[User:SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:Turquoise">Splash</span>]][[User talk:SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:blue">The</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SplashTheHedgehog|<span style="color:turquoise">Hedgehog</span>]] 23:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
+Yes as Sacor said I was basing my opinion on previous chat experiences. And I have been engaged (on both ends, admittedly) in friendly kicking on SFW, where it's taken less seriously. However, two admins getting into a kicking match is quite different from a mod/admin versus a normal User. While I see no harm when all present realize it's intended as a harmless joke and none take offense to it, should someone treat it as a serious matter or find it offensive (regardless of being the one kicked or not), then matters should be taken and the "friendly kicking" should cease immediately.--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]] 00:39, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
-{{Pacmansonic138 |time = 01:48, November 5, 2012 (UTC) |text = Per DF.}}
+:Kagi, your logic is confusing. If a mod/admin chooses to '''abuse''' their power, and kick someone for the hell of it, that is an issue. The person may not have wanted to leave chat, and it's just a hassle. It also sets a bad example for other mods and admins, who will follow in suit. --{{User:Bullet Francisco/Signature}} 01:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
+:Per Bullet and for my own reasons. Basically, actions should be judged by the actions themselves and not by peoples reactions to it. Regaurdless of weather or not they find it offensive, funny, or just don't care a lot, it's still the same action: abusing your power for "humor" or "just cuz". I find that completely unacceptable. [[User:TheAwesomefroggy|TheAwesomefroggy]] ([[User talk:TheAwesomefroggy|talk]]) 18:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
-{{FreeSmudger|text=Personally, I don't really mind the kicking for humor thing. I mean if a user asks to be kicked, it's within their right to ask and as long as the mod/admin and other user are in agreement, there shouldn't be anything wrong with it. I will openly admit that I've been asked to do it. In most cases it was asked to be done not for comedic purposes, but for self-disciplinary actions chosen to be done so by the users who asked me to kick them. In either of the cases, no harm was ever done when the actions were done.|time=03:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)}}
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