Hi Danik. I've noticed for a long time that our wordmark is displayed differently in Google Chrome from other browsers. I mean, it is completely not resplendent and darker (unlike other wikis in which this diversity is near non-existent between browsers). So, is there something in it that causes this inequality, or it is unrelated to the image itself?
If it turns to be unrelated, then I'm going to file a bug fix request.
Hi Danik. Do you think you can resize your background to be below 300KB? Because the current way we are implementing the background at this size may be problemtic later when Wikia will display it on Discussions.
The best way to do this was to scale it down to 1080p and then compress several times. Still, when filesize approaches 300KB JPEG artifacts appear. Compressing original file results in even worse artifacts. Anyway, you can try this version, if compression will be too noticeable, I'll try and make a seamless texture similar to this background.
We all have important things to do in life. So, do not feel bad about it.
In any case, the background is great, however, it does not give me the feeling of a real Sonic theme. But, I can understand if that's all what you can do, I still appreciate your effort. You have helped us greatly.
I know, I just couldn't find a way to keep Sonic characters and objects without making it looks repetitive. I'll try something else and send the results if I get something.
Also, why did the main background change? I thought it's for discussions only.
Discussions will get to have the same background we have soon. However, I don't think it is ideal to have two backgrounds for both platforms. Aside from that, the background we were using was heavy, (2.2MB), it can cause slow down for users with low connection speed, it cannot be put into the Theme Designer, or be displayed on all pages (since I'm not setting it using the Theme Designer).
In short, I'm trying to use Wikia's default method, so that things will not get complicated.
Yeah, I liked the previous one better. Well, I can try scale the older background down even more, but I'm afraid it will be blurred when upscaled by browsers.
I was actually thinking that instead of manually shrinking it (like the downscaled version you showed above) a possible solution was redrawing that images from the bottom up in the exact desired size. I believe you would avoid the JPEG artifacts that way, right?
So what you are saying luma and DanikV, is that the previous background never worked and it is impossible to reduce its size to a favorable level? Geesh, that's really depressing after the great work DanikV made.
So what are we supposed to do now? I guess the only option is creating a new background, apparently in the format Luma.dash suggestion.
I'll admit that I was kind of foolish when I let the size pass on my mind, and also forgot about the Discussions thing.
If I had proposed such conditions from the beginning, this would have been easier. I thought I could shrink the size myself, but I was wrong.
No use dwelling on this or feeling guilty about what could have been done better. I would probably have done the same thing. Let's just focus on setting this right.
Lets figure out our next move. Should we let the current motif remain as a placeholder until DanikV can find the time to create a favorable one like he offered? Or should we pull out an old one and use that as a placeholder?
I would hate for the motif you made to just be forgotten. If you think you can make the file size small enough by tweeking the background and other elements, we'll take a look at your efforts. By luma's suggestion is also good.
I apologize for putting this on you. If it is any consolation, you are feel to focus on your real life first, and make this background second priority. There is no rush after all.
Oh, I cannot fill it with a color using Theme Designer. If I apply it, it will just go as it is now. But, I assume that you cannot fill it with a color since it would make the image's size huge, right?
Well, I'm afraid to say that I cannot play much with the background through the Theme Designer. With CSS, maybe, but when the background is enabled on Discussions, my CSS rules will have no effect on the background there.
Well, the texture is cooler to me than this background, but I suppose if it cannot be enlarged and add some characters will put it above 300KB, and you see it fine this way, I'll just endure looking at it.
Sorry. I am just tired of this issue. It has been going on for months, and I just want this to be over. And while we have found a great person to do the job, I feel we are putting too much on a soul that does not deserve this. Even worse, we could are done this earlier this summer, and now where the summer is over and DanikV has to return to his daily studies, we have discovered the errors and are now putting so much extra work on him.
I just feel so guilty about doing this to DanikV after all the good he has done for us without asking for anything in return, and I feel bad about perpetuating this issue.
Well, that's because after the wiki's latest reshaping, we went into contacting the wrong Wikia Staff to deal with the background (which costed several months). Not to blame you here, since those who took the project on their shoulders have not helped so much as well.
I also feel it is not right to put all of this over Danik as well. I'm even not satisfied with the change so much so far, but I don't like to make it last longer.
Still, if it all comes down and we're not satisfied, we have another option.
Phew, I'm back. Don't feel bad for me, I like working with images and I really want our wiki to have a good background. Don't feel bad for my older background either, Ultra. I'm glad you liked it and I personally prefer it too but if it doesn't suit the wiki, it has to be replaced. Not completely thrown out, it's just a bit of experience I could use somewhere else one day. What is more important to me is how the SNN will look like in the end. We rejected a lot of variants while making the favikon too, by the way. So if my suggestion doesn't work, let me hear what do you think about the background. Should it be a repeatable pattern or a large picture? What colors should there be? What style would look better? I don't know Theme Designer at all so I think you would know better what kind of picture would fit the wiki.
P.S.: Is it just me or whatever background is set, it doesn't appear on disscussions page anyway? I tried refreshing the page, but it's still plain white.
I told you Danik that the background will be applied in the coming weeks into discussions, too. It will not work right now, but when it does, only uploaded images through the Theme Designer will work then.
That's why it is better to deal with it now, or we may not have the chance to do a thing when it is set.
If it's large picture, than it should be simple. I can suggest using latest Sonic Channel artworks then, they are pretty simple and they have stylish edges. And what about the background? Was triangle pattern even a good idea? Or I should try something else?
I do not really mind the triangles in the background either. In the end it is just a pattern we need, like green hill's checkerboard patterns. But if we are suggesting new background patterns, there is also those star patterns on Sonic Channel.
Most wikis do a background based on the most favourite setting in their franchise. So, couldn't there be a Green Hill background we could use like in here, stylize our favikon as the background, or use a blue checkboard pattern with some characters over it?
Ah, then I'm out of ideas. But, maybe since we are a "Sonic News Network" wiki, stylizing our favikon with some artistic changes would work. Maybe with a good pose of Sonic pointing to that.
After everything we went through to get it the way we have it now, after all those discussions and votes, do you really want to change it again?
To be honest, I am trying to avoid going that way so not to be bossy and tyrannical. A few major complaints people have about me is that I am too dominating, too stuck up, too obsessed about maintaining consistency, too robotic, and too self-centered to let others try different methods. As such, I wish to let others come up with the ideas.
As for what I would want, I would really have preferred the original layout we decided on. However, back then, we had trouble adjusting the figures on it until it was decided to go in another direction. Most of all, I felt guilt about not being able to do anything but give orders (which I have issues about). Then I put my bets on DanikV's amazing background picture. And now we have the issue of keeping large images like those small enough file-size-wise to let them be posted, which seems beyond our capabilities (no offense DanikV). I would really like a large image in the background, and I know that TheBlueRogue somehow managed to make files like this highly compressed despite the rich content, but it does not seems to be within our capabilities; the more I think about it, the more powerless I feel, which in turn irks me more. But if you still want a direction from me for the background to go in, I will suggest something I believe will be within our capabilities.
"I imagine a texture. The background is a nuance of blue and features a form of geometrical pattern, like the triangles we have now or something like the squares we had earlier. And while the blue, yellow and red symbols like the ones on the texture now are fine, they not very expressive and, like Luma.dash said, too Genesis. Having seen DanikV's art style of the gimmicks, and figures on the current texture, I would like for gimmicks/objects in that art style to be incorporated into a repetitive pattern that shows color, variety and richness. Sonic's head should also be included in some form to give it a sense of identity. Stars or emeralds could also be incorporated. as a callback to older times"
I guess that Wikia Staff has their methods to handle such criteria (like the background's size and its appearance), like in here as he has experience. User:JoeyPlay is currently the Wikia Staff responsible for requests for backgrounds and wordmarks.
I prefer to use this as our last resort. If we cannot settle about a background here, and we don't want to put this heavy task on Danik all the time. Maybe asking someone who is working with such things all the time can work.
We just give him the prerequisites and wait for him to complete it.
Fine, but before that, lets see if we can handle this on our own. DanikV said he did not mind, so lets trust him on this, and see if he would not mind making a new texture with the features I suggested.
OK, I'm working on the new variant since morning and I think I can finish it in a week or faster. As for the TheBlueRogue's Splatoon background, he achieved 280KB by posterization effect and dithering.
DanikV wrote: OK, I'm working on the new variant since morning and I think I can finish it in a week or faster. As for the TheBlueRogue's Splatoon background, he achieved 280KB by posterization effect and dithering.
This is a good news.
Ultrasonic9000 wrote: This is not optimistic news. Since DanikV is busy himself, we cannot afford to sit around and do nothing. How do you expect us to speed this up?
By saying what we really think are the best elements for the background.
Yes, I read your comments and try to follow them. I'm making a stylized light-blue rombo pattern with objects miniatures on top. The miniatures are simple and cel-shaded and match the pattern below. I try to choose the most common and well-known objects. Sonic's head appears as a 1-Up monitor, icons of tails and knuckles will represent Sonic's friends. Badniks are used too. I'm not sure about colors yet, I think when all objects are done, I'll simplify the palette (get rid of similar colors) and make them slightly transparent.
Do not focus on importing Tails and Knuckes (if it is not too late to say so) into the background. It is like we're favoriting some characters over the others, especially since they are part of the classic era.
Could you perhaps find the sprite of the Phantom Ruby that appears on the Eggman screen that appears if the player has not gotten all the Chaos Emeralds? It is a little larger than the one you added (no offense).
Just a note I want to elaborate is that you can rename files here on the wiki without admin-like rights. So, if you want, you can rename the images yourself, update their names in their articles, and leave the unused redirects to us to clean.
Hi Danik. I'm actually wondering if you can make some digital replicas of the Nintendo Switch buttons, just like this Xbox One button? I want to use such replicas to create button templates here in the wiki in order to use them on articles instead of the Wii buttons.
If you cannot, It is ok. I'm just trying to better identify which buttons we are refering to in our articles.
They are still inclined to the sides. The ZL button is inclined to the left and the other is to the right. Maybe making the buttons semi-square with round edges would be better for you to manage? Like in here.