Haven’t been here for a while. Anyways, coming from someone who likes to make headcanons, personally asking, does it matter if I believe the SEGA games and the Archie reboot to be the same canon and don’t believe Unleashed and Fighters to be canon? I mean, it’s my opinion, but I’m worried some people might not like it and think it’s a weird thing to believe and ask me why I believe it and I try to explain it but they’ll say I didn’t explain it and that I keep dodging the question and ask me again why. It might be someone you know, I’m not saying who, but in a forum I made back in July, they said they don’t see why anyone would believe the reboot to be canon to the games (even though it’s a headcanon). It seemed like they wanted me to change my mind about this headcanon, presumably being very strong on what’s canon and what isn’t, even though headcanons don’t have to be canon and that it’s just for fun.
I’m not stubborn about this headcanon, am I? Does anyone even like this headcanon?
Well, I've met a few who have their own perspective of continuity of Sonic games. For example on Ponyville.us this guy Dragonpuncher believed that games after the Classic-era were a reboot and not related to one another. He hated Modern Sonic games and believed the reason why they're so different to how he remembers them is because of reboot.
I told him that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are indeed one in the same, the Classic Sonic was Modern Sonic's early preteen years etc. The debate took a few days but he gradually finally started to agree from the perspective established by Sonic Generations, the only modern SOnic game I think he liked.
Then that "YOU'RE THAT SONIC FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION!" crap in Sonic Forces happened which he was quick to point out to me and just like that he was back and well fixed into his old view and I just gave up trying to convince him otherwise.
I gave up because while he was wrong to believe Classic-era is not canon to the later games, he's right that Sonic Mania does indeed take place on a timeline that splits off after Sonic 3&K and I just couldn't be bothered to untangle that mess for him.
So what I'm saying is that while I may not agree with your headcanon, if it is an oppinion you wish to stick by then I won't hassle you about it. If you want to know my headcanons or how I see Sonic continuty amongst games and comics then I will talk about it if asked. But I would still reccomend that for established lore by Sega and headcanon it's perhaps to observe and take into account facts and even details that are provided from the source before coming to the conclusions by yourself.
It’s kinda funny how something so small like a character’s line could create or revert someone’s opinions/beliefs. I still wished SEGA just kept the “he’s from the past” thing instead of “from another dimension”. Nah, SEGA. I still think Classic Sonic’s a kid Sonic, and I think Sonic Mania is canon to the main canon. Fight me, SEGA. I also didn’t like how none of the Classic characters speak. I always imagined Jaleel White as the voice of Classic Sonic like he was originally intended to be.
I read your “World Creation” theory and, while I might not agree with everything from this theory, I found it very interesting, especially the Light Gaia minions bit.
Oh, so you don’t think it’s weird. Well, that’s a relief. Yeah, it’s fine if you disagree. I just wanted to hear (er, read) “cool, even though I don’t agree, you have your opinion and I have mine” and not keep questioning me and doubting me. The beauty of headcanons and theories is you can come up with whatever you like a character or universe or so to be and expand on it, even if it may not be true in the end. I even do research on the topic of the headcanon I came up with and make sure it makes sense. I also loathe it if headcanons and theories, even though they’re purely speculation, are just said to be facts, unless they are actually true with sources to prove it, but thanks for the advice nonetheless.
I am aware of that. I literally explained earlier that, regardless of whether it’s official or not or if it ends up official or not, it’s still fun to make headcanons. The worst case scenario would be if a headcanon/theory would be presented as fact and somehow ended up on a facts site with no proof that it’s actually true.
Who said it's bad? I know full well I never did. Weirdness just sparks curiosity, which in turn sparks questions. If you bring up something highly unusual - especially something that directly contradicts canon - people will be perplexed and question it.
On Sarah's original post, I'll say that I don't agree with it the same way she doesn't doesn't agree with my world creation theory.
But as long as both of us accept that our theories are just theories and headcanon and not matter of fact then that is fine.
But I also think it's best to speculate from the facts that are given. For example I know my World Creation theory is full of holes. If a historian compared my theory to actual world history, they would probably scoff at the severe inacuracies of time periods I tried to compare it to.
I'm also not entirely sure where the Chaos Emerald and the Master Emeralds are from myself. However what I do believe is that at one point each emeralds was housed at a Gaia Temple and that they were not called the Chaos Emeralds until 4,000 years a go (copper, written language, somewhat tribal, egyptians being egyptian) after the rising of Angel Island. My evidence for this is the Gaia Manuscript say the Times of Awakening happens once every tens of thousands of years and that the Gaia Temples were made for it, so the Gaia Manuscripts were written around 8,000 BC (cavemen, mammoths, sabretooth cats etc) of our time so we can get a more accurate estimate of when the Gaia Temples were made. And given their purpose, the emeralds have been used by other civilizations long before the Echidnas.
Given that would technically be humanity's stone age, that would mean that either Light Gaia Minions achieved civilization before tribal humans and were able to construct such temples, or the Gaia Temples were constructed by a an older civilization before mobians and humans.
Do you know any other Website or group discussion location about Sonic, where fans would be open to discuss and view what we're making? Weird to say but we got a Sonic Fan Webseries with episodes scripts produced and all. We're trying to gain attraction this year! The video you saw was just a counter to Forces Flop but our update of Sonic has him in a more... adult context if you will as far as his age and what that means for his lifestyle. Fans complain that he's needed an uprising for a while and... well. We want people to see for themselves if they would want what we have in store for our buddy o'l blue! God forbids you'd actually prefer the movie!!! So News guy? Do you know any Sonic Hotspots to get the topic rolling or am I using this site wrong (o_o)?
So far, all I can think of is to try Newgrounds, a site that specialise in varoious animation projects.
There is also Sonic Fanon Wiki, I do not know it's stance on project proposals though.
I did enjoy your video, but SNN has rules against fancontent.
What would your fan series be about? From the art direction of "SOnic is Infinite" I figured maybe making it entirely independant and original and not a Sonic fan project would be more ideal for you. I mean your version of Dr. Eggman doesn't look egg-like at all and I think thats an important identidy to him.
The animation has nothing to do with our production other than being a showcase of Sonic at his rightful age and our version of Robotnik (Experimented on himself with a new source of energy that gave him his new form so Eggman is a thing of the past). And a rightful whooping on Infinite's behalf for his claim of "being faster than sonic" if you seen the cutscene. I mean it was in their trailer. We have multiple series developed with Sonic just as the lead series. We just need to know where the hotspot is for those who's been waiting for something NEW and IMPROVED.
Figured we'd start with sonic before showcasing the rest of his universe.
His series just follows his gain of attitude and the fierce display you saw in the animation up until he finds himself facing Robotnik in his new form. That's when he is given his own new source of power to combat Robotnik's new form and keep the balance stable. You wont believe me if I told you the series is called "SONIC INFINITY" and we've been making this series for years on end but 2017 surprised us with Segas crack at their old slogan which became a failed project, tarnishing the name of infinity thanks to Infinite......so that animation was made. P.S we didn't even know the "fun is infinite at Sega enterprises" thing until like......very late 2015 or something. Besides, Dr.Eggman over Professor Robotnik? I bet you're one of the ones who's gonna see the movie and like it regardless >:)
I do see the reasons why you give Robotnik a new form to counter Sonic, but at the same time I sort of see it breaking his character a little. What Dr. Eggman lacked in super-speed like Sonic or chaos powers like Shadow he makes up for it with his super-intelligence. Dr. Eggman is more to fight with his mind, not his muscles and makes up for the lack of muscles with machines.
Think of it like Batman. Some say what makes Batman unique as a superhero is that he has no super-powers, but to me he's super-rich! He can afford to go globe-trotting to learn from the best from different teachers around the world, he can afford to have custom made grappling guns or a cape made specially to function as a glider. But some variations of Batman go as far as a built in computer in his cowl with access to the Batcomputer or he wears high-tech armour that enhance is strength or endurance, that kinda thing.
I can't help but noticed this new Robotnik of yours looks a bit like 2-D from Gorillaz only more anime hair. What if instead he looks more like Russel Hobbs instead?
As for the upcoming movie, I already hate it. But I will go see it anyway just to see how bad it is first-hand.
I know Classic Sonic will continue to be prostituted and modern will continue until sega finally does him right. It might be harder than I expected to get everyone pumped for a Sonic Anime since his focus is specifically video games. Nobody has thought of an older more mature Sonic yet they featured Forces commercial on ADULT SWIM (where I first heard of it) and even promoted Mania by sponsoring with Hooters. I'm pretty sure Future Sonic needs to get out there and show some attitude. I'm more or so looking for the angry fans that are sick of his mockery and wish he'd be taken more seriously.
If anyone wanted to see what Sonic's life would be like with him more active with his speed and pride at MAX with a chilldog in hand, this productions will provide what you never expected for Sonic......like eyebrows......he's was very angry if you couldn't tell.
I know how fans can get. You can sort of divide them into 3 groups.
You have the Classic Cooks, Dreamcast Dorks and Modern Morons, they're the kind of fans who think their era of games are the absolute best and that the other eras are terrible or even acknowledge them as part of their ideal continuity. These fans often bicker with one believe that Sega should hear what they have to say in what makes a good Sonic games. These fans are more nostalgia fans than Sonic fans given their oppinions can be somewhat toxic at times.
Fans with preference
Fans that prefer an era of Sonic games but have a more healthy acceptance to the other Sonic games outside their era. I myself prefer the Dreamcast-era of Sonic games, but my particular favourite game is Sonic Generations.
Blind faith Sonic fans
They regard all games brilliant, including the bad games and will passionately defend the ones that are regarded terrible. Any Sonic games that they do redeem bad would be the obscure ones like Sonic Labyrinth but other than that Sonic is awesome regardless. And perhaps looking forward to the upcoming movie.
LOL nice setup. Blind faith is what I'm looking for >:) Those who would pay if SONIC is in the title. Like I said, people are really gonna go see that movie wishing Sonic could, for once, be free on screen, watching Sega's mishandling his true potential. Can't wait for you fans to really understand where we are coming from with our restoration of Sonic. You don't know that you want it yet. Just you wait! (unless you still want chibi nice Sonic who absorbs impacts rather than dish it) If you know of any other discussion areas like this where I can just feed this info with whoever is willing, let me know. I'm having fun with you but I think I milked ya of all the info you can spare for now. At least...you're just an innocent bystander in front of a creatively flooded productions that GOTTA GO FAST!!!!
OH NO NO! I thought "I" was being a burden on you! (o.o) at least interrogating you on info you might not have anything to do with. but your thing said Sonic news so I jumped for it! I mean this is news right? ( ._.) ? (._. )
Just how you worded it "I'm having fun with you but I think I milked ya of all the info you can spare for now. At least...you're just an innocent bystander in front of a creatively flooded productions that GOTTA GO FAST!!!!"
I don't think you're a burden. I can see you want to start up something with your project and get the right attention for it, I'm just saying I like your videos.
I don't know how blogs work. Not much of an internet user as far as going to multiple sites and just chilling there all day. Why do ya think I like ya kid! This is my first full stranger to stranger conversation ESPECALLY with the topic being about the productions. You are what we need but I didn't know IF I had you wondering "who is this and what do they want from me?" I'm just strolling on as many Sonic new sites and Pages just to see who's interested in Sonic going forward. This isn't just a youtube video occasional upload thing. A universe is sitting unseen by the public and we're trying to get everyone to look up before the comet strikes!!!
You did help me figure out how blogs work now and if I knew where I could spark this kind of conversation, I would jump there right now but that's why I'm sitting on this little island. I just gotta tell somebody before this spills over! Your responses are more than helpful. A learning experience really. I just hope I'm not wasting your time.
Well I dunno which sites you can reach to, especially given some may find going about and forcing people to take interest a bit advertisy. But if I could animate as well as you can, I'd give Newgrounds a go.
It you want to draw more interest in your project, I think it be best if you show them what you got."SONIC IS INFINITE" is a good start which is your adaption of Sonic Forces, but why not make like... a 3-minute teaser of your main project in mind? A "Pilot Episode" if you will.
And of course be open to compliment, critism and suggestions of your work. While you can go with a more maturer direction with your project, some may think some familiarities should be constant, like my suggestion for Robotnik to look more like Russel Hobbs than 2-D given Robotnik is usually known for his large body.
I was just thinking what I'd look like in your version of Sonic's world.
I was also thinking if you wanted to, I could design a new version of Robotnik for you thats just as edgy and a fighter but not too different from your design choices. I won't even make him bald or moustached if you don't want him to (though how I'm currently imagining him, no moustache and full head of hair would be ideal to fit in with your designs.)
However... I'll have to ask my brother to help me restore PhotoShop on my computer but it's late and he just got home from London, I'd rather not burden him with installing my art program.
Yeah we already have an Intro worked out and extra content that can gain more attraction than Sonic simply fighting infinite, but im just guessing regardless no one will notice unless we start a domino effect. It's finding where to tell people "DINNERS READY" that makes me find individuals like you that might be like "WOW Somebody come see this!" and get the ball rolling. Scrolling down I saw you're considered a Bronie (psst we got a series on that too. Stick around!) and thought there's only So much Sonic info you can give me as far as where conversations are sparked. (and yes!! Take your time but show me your pen skillz!! I'll give you an email to send your art to if you do it!)
Well the "Dinner bell" thing doesn't exactly work that way. You can't just "make a thing" and expect to be given a fanbase over it. And trying to force attention to it will just be regarded as pushy and intrusive to some.
It's why I had to lock your thread on the Discussion Board. Because you didn't read our Discussion Board guidelines to begin with. We have rules against self-advertising. If you're going to promote something on a forum or discussion board, make sure you're allowed to or else it'll get deleted and make you look bad to the locals there.
The best you can do to start it out is to make more material around it. Things like more pictures and videos to show off more of the world you're introducing.
You also said you were doing your own take on MLP:FiM? I dunno much about animation projects but I know they are a lot of work. I'd advice to stick what your group is capable of than burdening them with too many projects. I dunno who's your team is but if they're helping you on projects you wouldn't want them to get burned-out or develop friction so soon.
You said you had episode in mind right? My advice would be to work on a Pilot Episode. Once done put it on Newgrounds and YouTube. Put in "Sonic fan sites" in Google and see if you can find sites that would be interested in what you made, but if they have discussion policies it's best to ask first before presenting.
Yeah I didn't mean to come off that demanding. But Sonic Forces Us To Do This! We don't exactly expect a flood off of the first few minutes. We just needed an outsource approval that it look like what we aimed it to be. You definitely gave me the reaction I was looking for though I will admit, guideline need to be more abbreviated if they want to be taken seriously lol (I literally almost read it). Still getting use to all the websites and their regulations, I guess my time here is done as far as getting any Sonic word out. But I like your face! Any chance of you being interested in being featured in our productions? It'll be more later than now but you would make a good trailer guest! Plus I've told you too much and would need either this or your left foot before I leave this page lol jk njk.
I don't mind being a bystander in your productions or not. My character Mystic Monkey is both a simple yet complicated guy. I also made a comic version of him because I do like the idea of alternate universe versions of my character. I was going to make a "Boomiverse" version of him but I figured I didn't have enough material to work with for him. (I mean, I at least made a comic for the comic-version of Mystic,)
Sometimes I think about removing the sword. I question if he really needs it at times.
Just remember don't try and force interest in your project, work on what you got so that you can both show and tell than just tell.
Ok kool, I'll take your advice. Btw, We're not taking in more than we can chew. We have so much developed from the YEARS we've been at work and we're more overwhelmed with how much we got to share. I'm gonna take your advice and just get the spin dashing. Thanks for listening and giving feedback. If we provided you with an Email, could you produce that little drawing you said you'd do of robotnik? Take your time but I am interested in you and your concepts! I'll be back occasionally to check in if that's ok. (And yes, keep the sword because ninja gaiden sigma 2 had dogs with blades and I can see him fighting like that. He could be trained by the ancient pony guy with the shovel that stopped the lava if you know the episode)
DUDE!!! Just read your story on Mystic. You should make the monkey ride the horse into battle! I have to say, I would really like to help you further his update in look. I thought the poney was him but Im guessing that's you as a pony? Yeah you'll be used in future projects between background and main characters plus paid for your roles when we get that far. If you're still willing to draw robotnik (im very curious) let me know! I'll remind you in the future if needed so your bro can rest. Thanks again!
Hello! I usually see you on the discussions and you seem like you know a lot of information, both about Sonic and about the Wiki. I joined a Wiki a while ago, and I am an Admin, so I can add changes to the theme, but I was wondering if you know how to add Discussions to a Wiki. If you have any idea on where I would go to put it up on the top of the Wiki, I would love to hear it! Thank you for reading! :D
We're still in the scope of "birthdaytime" so it's all good. (though you're the first on SNN to acknowledge my birthday.)
Do you mean to make new threads and such? On the top of the discusion boards there are these symbols. "T" for starting a thread, a chain symbol for linking, camera for uploading a photo and bars to make a poll. However "T" has multiple functions for linking and polls.
So when you want to make a thread, just click "T" and work with it. And remember to click "+ Add Catagory" above where you write to catagorize your thread.
Thank you for responding, but I was wondering about how to get the discussion board itself! On the top of the SNN, just to the right of Explore says Discuss, where users can discuss basically anything. I was wondering whether or not there was a way to add that to this other Wiki I'm in. If you don't know, that is ok, but thank you again for responding, it means a lot!