Talk: Grimer

Name

Isn’t this guy named after a Pokemon? Travjt (talk) 20:46, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

In the trivia section it says "He is named after Gríma Wormtongue from The Lord of the Rings." SilverPlays97 (Wall) (Contributions) 20:52, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Also, Pokemon didn't exist yet when Grimer first appeared. -- Supermorff (talk) 21:09, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Unknown Species

I feel like there should be a category for characters of unknown species, since Grimer doesn't seem quite human to me. User: Parker Green, 3:21 PM (EST), 1/7/2021.

"Grimer" vs "Grimer Wormtongue"

I feel like this page should probably just be at "Grimer" - while the name "Grimer Wormtongue" was used in a Data Zone once, it was never used in the comic itself, and all subsequent Data Zones simply used "Grimer". Obviously "Grimer Wormtongue" should still be mentioned, but I don't think it's dominant enough to be the actual page name. --SJBroadside (talk) 13:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Agree. -- Supermorff (talk) 12:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I'll give it a couple more days, but if there's no disagreement, I'll move this page to Grimer. --SJBroadside (talk) 00:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Although the "Wormtongue" last name was never used more than once, there is nothing stating it to be non-canon, and it was never retconned directly. As such, in my opinion it should still be in the title of the page, because it is the only last name Grimer has ever been given. 00:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree on keeping Grimer's surname, but maybe it would be a good idea to source which Data Zone of which issue it first came up in?Awareness Bringer 22:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, never mind about the source. I just saw it.Awareness Bringer 22:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

It may not have been retconned directly, but the fact that the subsequent Data Zones which were otherwise identically-worded only call him "Grimer" would seem strongly to suggest that the use of "Wormtongue" was an error that was subsequently corrected. --SJBroadside (talk) 22:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Stuff that is "strongly suggested" isn't always enough for this wiki. "Miles "Tails" Prower" is often shortened to just "Tails". Perhaps the later data zones listing him as "Grimer" is just a shortening of "Grimer Wormtongue" likewise. The problem is that with the name never being retconned directly, the only grounds on which we could remove it from the page title are ones in relation to it being never stated more than once. And if we began removing all things on this wiki never stated more than once in official sources, it would not end well. 22:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

That's a justification for leaving the information on the page, not for using it as the page name. Nobody is suggesting that the surname should be removed from the page, only that a more appropriate page name for the character is the name that he is called in every one of his canon (in-story) appearances and in all-but-one of his mentions in editorial introductions (the Data Zone in STC is like "previously on" section for the comic). Grimer isn't a character about whom there is a lack of information, so we use whatever we can get. Nor is he a character whose name never appears in the canon material and we need to go searching in manuals and other documents. Grimer appeared in dozens of stories, and was known as "Grimer" every single time. Regardless of whether his last name is Wormtongue (or if he even has a last name canonically), "Grimer" is the name he is known by most often. 99.99% of the time, I'd say. That should be the key consideration. -- Supermorff (talk) 10:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Well put. I agree with everything you say, and I think putting "Grimer Wormtongue" in the page title is giving it a disingenuous level of prominence that misrepresents how the comic treated the character. --SJBroadside (talk) 01:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)