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I just wanted to tell you how flattered I am after reading the bit of information that you added about me and Alter under the "Friends" section of your user page (I don't know how long it's been there, but this was my first time seeing it). I really appreciate the praise, and it really boosted my confidence quite a bit. :) ۞EYCEST★R۞Contact02:19, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks again! With Alter, I wanted to make him extremely unique than the average FC we see so often, and I also wanted him to seem like an actual official character. To get close to that, I needed to draw out some things that Sonic Team hasn't done yet, such as a character with ice powers. A lot of his hobbies and dislikes came right from me. XP Though, a few of them are also solely his, like the "howling at the moon" that you pointed out. XD
I consider myself to be an amateur artist, but I'm hoping to change that soon because I'll be taking an intro to computer art class starting tomorrow. Hopefully I'll do well in there! Again, I really appreciate your support and praises, and I'll be sure to return the favor when you publish your character. ;) ۞EYCEST★R۞Contact21:00, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure you'll do great with your character! And thanks for the good luck, I'll definitely be needing that. :) ۞EYCEST★R۞Contact22:14, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you, but the reflex sprite you gave me is to big. If you can make it relative to the size of this one: That would make things more easy. SilverPlays97 02:11, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Well, you're busy! Must be annoying to do all that work!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:31, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Really? I'm getting pretty annoyed with Tails' page since yesterday!--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:37, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Edit numbers don't matter to me but I gotta admit, the "12,000" looks pretty good doesn't it? ;D--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:45, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I'm reading your page. It's nicely written! Especially the "I believe the Sonic franchise has limitless potential; it does everything which other video game franchises don't, and that's a good enough reason to be a big fan." quote (even though I may not completely agree with it). I love reading user pages and get bored when little or no information is written.--58SlugDrones • (Contact) 18:57, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Could we add Picture's On are profile if they Don't "Belong" to us? :/ Shadows Chibis (talk) 19:21, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
Yes your not allowed to put up others fan art with out thier premision.(Sorry I follow Myselfs page to keep in touch with things on the wiki)Sonamyfan666 a Amy Rose Expert and fan (talk) 21:25, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
It isn't permitted, though I can't see what images are fanart. Myself 123 21:45, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
The iShadow pic isn't mine; it's in the public domain. And yes, he's my brother (he turned 13 not too long ago). He's not exactly a "grammar Nazi", but he was really eager to start editing with an account. And I mean really eager. (P.S. - XP Yes, you have got it!) Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."22:14, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
I don't know. The issue of capitalisation was never really concluded in the discussion on the article's talk page. They should be consistent, though, and most importantly you should never have something (like the tracks sub-category) categorised in a non-existent category unless you are in the process of creating or moving it. -- Supermorff (talk) 12:00, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't feel as strongly about it now as I did then. I'm happy to move the category if you want me to, but I don't have time to do it right now. Send me a message and I'll get round to it maybe next week. -- Supermorff (talk) 12:19, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
I noticed on the user rights discussion you said you where against spyro's demotion from the start. Why didn't you tell me? If you said no i could find a way to manage it myself. You sound like your reputation as a user has been put down. If you fell that way i owe an apologie. I hope you understand i did not mean to hurt you. TBH i thought the only way to get spyro to change was to set-up a demotion. I was stupid. I hope you understand. SilverPlays97 18:47, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see how it's scary, besides the fact that it might sound like an automated message. I wouldn't think that occasional contributors don't check other warnings I've handed out; that warning is only for first-time vandalism. The second and third warnings are the tricky part, as I feel the need to specify what they've been doing wrong if they haven't understood the first time. As for sounding different every time, yes, it does give a certain uniqueness to the warning, and it might be preferable to do in many cases, but I don't feel the need to type out an individual warning for every vandal who comes along. Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."17:28, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Out of context, the warning sounds like what it is; but out of context, I see your point. In instances like the one we're facing now (these are the times I wish I could block vandals), the vandal is trying to find a loophole; Just tell him "no vandalism" the first time and he has no excuse. The way I see it, whether or not to use a prepared warning depends on the situation (That's Paul Ryan for you right there), but I feel like I'm feeding the trolls if I talk about it. And as for the "two warnings" deal, I've considered doing that, too, because giving them a third warning gives them a fourth chance, and three chances is enough. Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."17:47, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think I'm fit to be an administrator. Yes, I've read the admins' how-to guide twice, yes, some people say I act like an admin, and yes, I would use the rights to the best of my abilities, but something doesn't feel right about running for administrator rights. Maybe it just feels scary being promoted twice within a year, maybe it's because that was my goal when I started the wiki (but not anymore, to tell the truth) and now it feels strange achieving it, or maybe it's because I honestly didn't like writing my rollback nomination because I was talking about myself as if I was a great person (but in reality I sometimes doubt that). I know it would be quite beneficial, but at this rate, I don't know if I'll ever be running for administrator because I don't think I'd be able to stand it if people treated me as special just because of administrator rights. (P.S. - I actually decided that I'd never run for administrator because I'd wait until the community thought I was ready and somebody decided to nominate me, but then again, I decided the exact same thing before I ran for rollback) Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."18:12, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't realize that until after the fact, I didn't actually scroll down to the bottom of the talk page (which I usually don't do to avoid the temptation to read other users' messages, but I probably should have done in this case). DX
Thank you! And yes, I love doing work on the RfUR for some reason. It's not something that can be done on a regular basis, like editing, so it's great to have the opportunity to close nominations and give out promotions. Being 19 doesn't feel all that different from being 18, though I'm sure that will change as the next coming months progress. :P ۞EYCEST★R۞Contact20:16, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe not, but as long as I'm scouting out small errors and whatnot, I kind of get an OCD moment where the page in general should seem as clean as possible for editing. SeriousSamHeavy 12:10, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe I'll change it to Cyan or something. Hang on. SeriousSamHeavy 12:24, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't know you were on. ._. Well, I still want to make sure people know about it (most of the people I contacted were on chat last night and I think they should see what I wrote about last night's incident). I'm not necessarily advertising; the point of the forum is to inform people, and what use is it if they don't see it? So I'm not necessarily advertising, I'm only making sure if they agree with what I said and if they're okay with what I said.
Yes, they are most certainly capable, but I was surprised at the excuses people think up to avoid participating in site discussions.
(PS: Could you get on chat? It's been a while since we've talked, besides doing stuff wrong and editing and busybody stuff)
I have but I hate the hyphen! Oh well!--SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:24, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
I know right? Oh well. I don't go by the name SlugDrones anywhere besides wikia, I could have changed it into my common online names, but that would be confusing since I'm sort of 'known' here. Oh and I'm not fond of numbers in usernames. You have a nice username.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:45, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I like how elegant it sounds! Mines sounds rather funky and boyish, which isn't my character, but I didn't want any confusion. I like my username though, but I don't use it anywhere besides here.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 16:05, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
I believe you are aware that I was going to leave you a message addressing your opposition to my nomination. Well, I might as well do it now. This is by no means an argument against what you said; it is only my thoughts about your statements. Hence why I didn't reply earlier, I wanted the tension to ease a bit; I felt a bit stressed, too, so I waited until I felt a bit more relieved. So I'll go through your points one by one.
First off, I don't have any problems with your "per Drones" statement. But this following statement is what got me thinking (and a bit ticked):
"As a user, Shadowunleashed does everything; in other words, too much, quickly jumping at opportunities. Creating and partaking in site discussions, fixing any article he comes across, breaking up edit wars, marking pages and files for deletion, reverting vandalism, giving warnings to vandals and reporting them, reminding bureaucrats to close nominations, operating his bot account... you name it, he has done it many times, so it's clear that he's trying too hard. Moreover, he acts quite arrogantly in doing so. Worst of all, his maturity level still isn't quite suitable in my eyes. Sure, if he were to be an administrator, more would get done, but I don't think we can risk impairing the administrative board with immaturity."
I'm doing too much and trying too hard? The notion would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that you believed what you said. I don't know why you kept that part when you reworded your vote to oppose because I don't see how that is a reason to oppose, but whatever...you said it, and it raised my eyebrow. I'm doing too much? I'm just doing it the way I want it done (I'll explain that statement in a moment). I'm trying too hard to do what? The editing rampages I have are accredited to the fact that I'm hyper. I'll be frank: in real life, I am one of the goofiest, most energetic 14-year-olds you'll ever know. I come up with puns similar to those of Stephan Pastis (really punny cartoonist of the comic strip Pearls Before Swine), and sometimes worse. I'm a nerd, too, and I love using logic as much as possible, which explains why I argue the way I do on site discussions and talk pages. The thing is, I am hyper by nature, and I like editing in bulk: I am not trying that hard to edit frequently; it just comes naturally. God made me hyper, and I won't try to change that.
One of the great things about the internet is that your mistakes in real life don't really affect what people think of you on the web. You can start a different life on the web, in a sense, and you can mold your online personality into something people admire and respect, something more likeable. But that doesn't mean that you have to. I have tried to make my personality on SNN fit who I am, and judging from the response, I'd say I succeeded. But my lightheartedness and lack of caring about what other people think of me ends up being as immaturity...at least, that's what I see. Yes, I am aware that I am immature at times, but I am still confused: what in the world tells everyone that I'm immature? No one bothers to be specific with me, and I want answers. This leads me to the conclusion that few people actually know what maturity is. Truth is, I don't know, either. I looked "mature" up in the dictionary, and it said...well, have a look yourself. Now I'm as confused as ever. So I've come to the conclusion that people think "immaturity" is acting stupid. That would explain why people think I'm immature (but I still want specific examples, which no one is giving me), because I don't care if everyone on the World-Wide Web thinks I'm a moron: it doesn't matter. The Almighty God who created the universe must have made me the way I am for a reason, and I'll let him decide when and how I'm going to mature.
Those were the two matters I wanted to discuss the most; here are the miscellaneous things I wanted to say: As for arrogance, I cannot recall a moment when I acted so arrogantly. Could you please state a moment I showed arrogance like that? I also fail to see how my immaturity would impair the "administrative board"; could you please explain?
These are my thoughts (and my two questions) that came to mind when I read your opposition. This is not an argument against your statements; it is only a long message containing the thoughts, questions, and concerns I had. I'd like it if you replied addressing each matter.
Oh wow; your response is also the longest message I've ever received. Well, at least you organized your message a lot better than mine, so I'll respond the way you did. And...sorry about the confusing message; I'll try to keep my words here to a minimum.
Yeah, it really isn't the case. I'm not showing off; I'm not power-hungry. I just get excited and do stuff in bulk.
It's not an excuse. It's an explanation. And I don't see a problem with "lightning editing". I still don't understand how it should be a reason for opposition, though. As for the "wanting to be an admin" thing, I've decided not to run again in the future because I'll get the exact same response...I don't want to be a chat mod anyway (I should've considered that before nominating myself)
Thank you for giving me a straight answer. That makes so much more sense now.
Well, I guess so. (Atheist? We need to get into a theological debate sometime)
I don't think the wiki would "plunge into chaos"...but I see what you mean.
"It may be a teensy bit annoying, but isn't it good that we're getting stuff done faster?" Yeah, that's my attitude. I don't see what's arrogant about it; the wiki's improving and I know I won't be here forever. My profile and talk page are garishly designed? Why thank you; I like coding, too. I know I vex you (not intentionally, but it hurts to see yourself do it), and I act without thinking sometimes...okay, a lot. I regret doing that, but yeah, that's a spot on my record that needs cleaning. I'll try not to do it again, but I doubt saying that is very reassuring.
I realized the truth of Drones' statement after the fact, so yes. Your second big reason: I'm not so sure I want to hear it. The last few weeks I feel like someone's been beating me upside the head with a baseball bat, and hearing the second reason might make me so shameful I'd avoid you for the next few months.
One last thing I really feel compelled to say: What happened to you? The Solace I greeted back in August last year was a friendly guy who commented on every blog and chatted as much as possible. The Solace I see now looks like a recluse. You almost never comment on blogs (if edits mean nothing, then why do you care about what your edits are?), you almost never go on chat, and whenever I talk with you, I get rebuked, sometimes way more harshly than necessary. I want to be able to have a friendly chat with you more often, whether in blog comments or live chat. It's almost as if you're avoiding contact with others. Would you at least please socialize a bit more?
You once told me that you've been praised for your maturity, I can now see why. I like how you handle things in discussions. Always relevant and to-the-point. You're one of the most mature users here and the most mature 'new' user in this site.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 15:05, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
Because it is not happening now. It has already occurred, which is the nature of a history section. So past tense seems appropriate.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:47, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
If the other articles being in present tense, why not set them to past tense? I'm not doing anything right now. I could take a crack at that, if you think it would work.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:56, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah...I'm guessing you see a problem with it. I've never been able to say anything better than Morff...I'm changing the wording a bit because it doesn't seem quite right, but yes, I'm using Morff's scripted "warning" (Though it's not a warning, it's only a message informing the user of our art policy). If you see a problem with it, would you care to elaborate? You're starting to confuse me. Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."22:53, March 18, 2013 (UTC)
Since when has informing users of our art policy been something only admins do? Of course it's unusual because no other rollback does it. Morff is the only one who leaves those kinds of messages regularly (by that I mean whenever he sees an infringement of our art policy), and he's not even on all the time. I just feel someone needs to be "helping out" Morff in enforcing our art policy, because I haven't seen anyone else do it except maybe Disco once (and Disco isn't even a rollback). The way I see it, there's no reason not to do it unless I'm busy at the moment or I'm really tired (or I don't want to, but I think it's important that users be informed of our policies if they are to edit here). A final note: I think I've finally realized I'm satisfied with rollback, because I don't want to be a chat mod, admins can only delete pages, block users, and edit MediaWiki pages (which isn't really much), and I don't really need admin rights anyway (everything will get done eventually even if I'm not an administrator). Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."16:51, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
I have an account on Chess.com. Go and make an account so i can play you. Once you have made one, give me your user name so i can challenge you to a match (you should get a notification). My user name is TC29000. SilverPlays97 23:27, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Actualy, i can not play on the computer i am using right now. As soon as i get home, we can play. So Friday or Saturday. SilverPlays97 21:27, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Hey can you come on the chat? We haven't talked in a while(IMO). SilverPlays97 13:42, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
Gomez6 (talk) 20:18, March 26, 2013 (UTC)And I really don't care. My page, my wish.
So hold on...it's none of your business to read my profile? Don't be silly. XP But if you'll accept congratulations, congrats on 4,000 edits! :D Shadowunleashed13"I am...none of me..."15:45, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
Because i thought it sounded angry and bias. SilverPlays97 12:32, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Closed summaries are supposed to say what happened as result of the forum and nothing else. They are are supposed to be neutral on the subject at hand. Your summary did not sound like that. If you would like to talk about this more, please come on the chat. It's just me right now. SilverPlays97 12:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
I'm done arguing about this. Do want to play some chess? SilverPlays97 13:00, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
I am leaving this message even though you tell me you will not be online for a month, because you’re bound to log in at some point in the future, and I would expect you to check your talk page at least once more.
Thank you for the kind words of congratulation. But right now, you need more attention.
Yesterday, I told a newer user how to nominate himself for administrator. He was inspired by seeing me (one of his few friends on the wiki) become an administrator, and immediately aspired to become one as well. But you seem to be depressed at seeing me promoted. He set up a nomination at once (which was not what I had hoped he would do), and I opposed. He felt like he wasn't a good enough user on the wiki he absolutely loved, and removed the nomination after my vote. I explained to him that no one has to be an administrator to make a difference on the wiki, and that he could possibly make a bigger difference without administrator rights than with them. But you seem to think that without administrator rights, you have no purpose on this wiki.
Look at this. Look at this. Now just try and tell me you haven't made so much as a dent. Some people adore Sonic 06. Thanks to you, they can find information on the various missions. I personally know several people who have come for help to the Town Missions pages on this wiki. You made those pages. You gave them the help they wanted. Besides, those images you uploaded have other uses. Just look at your profile on Tinka's wiki; it gave me some good laughs.
Oh, you say that isn’t much? Remember that chat we had on Blue Bomber Graphic Wiki a few days ago? We both realized that the virtual world had helped us mature in the real world. You don’t have to edit nonstop to make a difference in the wiki. You have made a difference. But the wiki will most certainly make a difference in you.
People don't message you often unless you message them first? That’s a good thing. It shows you are doing something. You're active, and you can start a conversation better than many users here.
You're far more reluctant to help out? Maybe you need to rethink your definition of "helping out". You seemed like you were trying to help out more than ever before you began your hiatus. You were even contributing to multiple wikis: something I can't do well.
You're disenchanted with the community? Maybe if you returned from your hiatus you wouldn’t be.
Now for the big point. You say you furiously competed with me for adminship, but you failed. You say you tried as best you could, but now you concede defeat. Now you see no purpose. That tells me two things. One: you think adminship is the only possible way you can be useful on the wiki. As I already explained, that is a completely absurd notion. Two, this wiki isn’t big enough for the two of us. One of your best friends is now an administrator, and because you were not promoted, you want to leave the wiki because I beat you in an editing smackdown. Now THAT is ridiculous. The entire time you were comparing yourself to me, I was comparing myself to you. In fact, I am inclined to believe we are the only people comparing ourselves to each other. The entire time you were in competition against me, I was in competition with you. The entire time you thought I was winning, I thought you were winning.
That "dedication and willpower" you saw in me was not quite what it seemed. It was fueled by addiction, pride, and a desire to be accepted. At that rate, I would have been hopelessly addicted to the franchise, editing the wiki without control, and acting like a snob the whole time. But when you changed your vote on my first administrator nomination, you snapped me out of it. I never would have shaped up if you hadn't given me the shock of realizing that I wasn't perfect. You don’t have to make a difference in the wiki to make a difference in someone's life.
And so I implore you, please stay. You can help out no matter how much you do, you are a joy to have around, you have made a significant difference in other peoples' lives, and you have matured thanks to this place. You can still mature more, mature others more, and help out more.
You say the dream is dead. You say you have accomplished almost nothing. You say you have done all you can. You say you are useless.