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December 23, 2011
  • I live in Nowwhere USA
  • I was born on June 8
  • I am Male

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Put a vertical line and then the number of archives you have in the archive template. E.g. {{Archive|3}}. Myself 123 18:47, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Myself 123 20:29, October 12, 2013 (UTC)


Finally i did some screenshots that proves Big's Story can be passed without the upgrade. --{{SUBST:Usuario:Teatropello/Firma2}} 16:16, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Here you got:

Big's story passed without the upgrade 3

"got across" what? The "pool"? That is very easy: you jump to the water then you jump again out of the water and you're on the "ground". What kind of evidence do you want? How i can do for you to understand? --{{SUBST:Usuario:Teatropello/Firma2}} 16:37, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

What version of the game do you have? what plataform do you have? I have the DX version for PC, i try to jump while Big was in the water and it works. --{{SUBST:Usuario:Teatropello/Firma2}} 16:53, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Big's story passed without the upgrade 4

In all the games that you go underwater, you can jump very high while you are in the water. That must be a glitch of the game in Big's story that you can't jump very high. --{{SUBST:Usuario:Teatropello/Firma2}} 17:02, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

In the PC version you can jump very high, in the Gamecube and Dreamcast you can't, so that means that in some versions and cases you can and it isn't nessesary the upgrade, the best thing we can do is put that on the trivia section of the page. --{{SUBST:Usuario:Teatropello/Firma2}} 17:13, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Say Sonamyfan666,who made your Amy running signature?JetHawk 34706:50 October 14,2013


Well, since you seem honest. Alright, I forgive you. And I apologise for accusing you. To show my good will, check this.  Gomez6 (talk) 18:40, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, speaking of Shantae, did you see the upcoming HD game?Gomez6 (talk) 18:44, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Well, 3DS isn't HD. Besides, they sell themselves to Nintendo as a 2nd party, y'know? But don't worry. That's the 4th game. The third is coming exclusively to 3DS. Shantae and Risky team up to stop Risky's crew (who became crazy from absorbing Shantae's powers), and now Shantae must learn to be a pirate from the pirate queen to get her magic back.Gomez6 (talk) 18:49, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, they moved it to winter now...Gomez6 (talk) 18:52, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thought you still meant fall. Anyway, I'm trying to make this movie, and I want opinion on this. I figure the more people support me, the more Disney will be forced to make it. Here's the link.    Gomez6 (talk) 18:55, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

So you like it?Gomez6 (talk) 19:00, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Boss fights are part of the act, so yes. As long as you got 50 rings, you can use him in boss fights. I uploaded a video on wiki about. Check it out.Gomez6 (talk) 22:34, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I posted the Wii U version. Don't know about the 3DS version. Probably not since the bosses have their own acts. But you never know. He can draw in rings like a magnet now.Gomez6 (talk) 22:37, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll find out.Gomez6 (talk) 22:40, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, they didn't show, so I'm guessing the 3DS Super Sonic will be like Sonic 4: EP I.

I have no idea. The video didn't even attempt to use the Color Power.Gomez6 (talk) 23:00, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I thoughtthey did pretty good. Granted, parkour was slippery, but I thought it was pretty good. Gomez6 (talk) 23:06, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, never mind, you can't use Super and Color at the same time. Why are the Wisps still there, anyway?Gomez6 (talk) 23:08, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Amy does too like shadow stop editing that page.SaalihW1234 (talk) 15:41, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Which reviews said that? Could you link me three of them? I only remember one review that said that. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 15:20, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

What I see is criticism for a different sort of gameplay, not necessarily different concepts. I somewhat understand how you got to that conclusion, but that's more or less because that's what you were thinking when you read the review. I'm coming from a completely different angle when I read the reviews, because I think Sonic is going back to the silly blue platforming-and-maybe-speedy-if-you-actually-have-skill hedgehog that he was over 20 years ago. We can't really just imply things from the reviews, we need to state the criticism as exactly and verbatim as possible in order to avoid sounding biased. We need to explain this to the readers as close to the original criticism as possible. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 15:46, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay; I think I might find a quote from a review that sums up the criticism of the gameplay. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 15:52, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Have fun. ;) -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 15:55, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

I can respect you being a Sonicamy fan, but in the games there's no proof that Sonic likes Amy the way she likes him. Infact he clearly doesn't like her that way, so why edit his page like that? Unless your reffering to Sonic in Sonic X or something.

Do you think you could show me?

Okay, thanks. But there's one thing I still don't quite get, Sonic doesn't 'love' Amy does he?

So, he's teasing her?SuperSubSpeed (talk) 23:33, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

If that's the case, I hope Amy gets a serious attitude adjustment. Her attitude to Sonic in games like Sonic Heroes, Sonic Rush, Sonic Riders Zero Gravity, Sonic & The Black Knight and Sonic Free Riders is terrible. But that's just me, I mean the way she acted in Sonic Lost World was good. What I mean is if Amy calmed down, and give Sonic some space then maybe he might return her feelings. Thanks for your help!

You know now that I think about it, maybe what you showed me could have been a typo error like in the Sonic Heroes manual it said Knuckles was 18 when he's actually 16. That and I don't think Sonic was flirting with Amy besides he's not the shy type. SuperSubSpeed (talk) 00:41, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Even so, I personally hope Sonic doesn't end up with Amy. No offence, but I think if he did end with someone it's going to be someone who can relate to him in almost every aspect better than anyone else so I think it could be Blaze the Cat or Tiara Boobowski (a cancelled character from the cancelled 1996 Sega Saturn game Sonic X-treme) who maybe finally be debuted at some point. But hey we're all entitled to our opinions! SuperSubSpeed (talk) 23:15, November 11, 2013 (UTC)


Hello Sonamyfan666, my name is BessDreamer. I have joined the Sonic News Network Wiki to contribute honestly to the information about all Sonic related. I hope it is alright to ask why the edited information is reverted back to its original?

Hello, thank you for your response. My intention was not to cause harm to the Wiki page nor to put any false information. The only reason I have tried to edit it along with the notes is there's inconsistent information and repeats of what has already been said of Sonic's personality. It is also to help the current writers including Mr.Ken Pontac who depended on Wikipedia and Youtube for information about Sonic according to an interview.

He also said according to a friend who has messaged him on his Facebook account is he appreciated passion and support of the Sonic fans willing to help him with being knowledgable about Sonic and making sure there's accurate material for him to use since it is believed for whatever reason Sega/Sonic Team did not provide it to him.

"I appreciate the passion of the fans, and the energy they've put into this issue. I’m very busy on other projects right now, but if and when I work on another Sonic project this resource will be useful."


This is a direct message from him that a friend of mine personally messaged him on his Facebook. He also said he will personally use the information as a resource for when he's called to write for another Sonic game.

Alright. Thank you very much for your time and patience.

BessDreamer (talk) 08:40, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


I wouldn't say 'close' friend. But she is certainly his friend. As for love-interest, it is not a generalized term used for Amy. 'Self-proclaimed girlfriend' is though.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:40, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think it is better to exclude Blaze and Amy as "good/close friends" we cannot exactly measure how close they are. Especially Amy, as even Shahra seemed much more close to Sonic than Amy is.

She was probably credited as his love-interest but that is really only one game. The term has never been used again. It cannot be used to generalize her relationship with Sonic.
Sally and Elise can be more easily said as love-interests.

I am also unsure what the exactly meaning of love-interest is. If it involves mutual feelings for the two, then that is incorrect as generally we can say it's one-sided.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 10:48, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sally is still Sonic's love-interest, no matter how you put it. I was merely giving an example of what a love-interest is.

We cannot confirm that they share mutual feelings unless it is official. Love-interest has more than one meaning, the Sonic & the Secret Rings biography didn't make it specific, also it is really the only biography that uses this term for Amy. There's one thing nearly every official sources confirm, it's that she's his 'self-proclaimed girlfriend'. Mention of close friend and mutual feelings is not clearly shown.

Basically, 'love-interest' doesn't sound specific. A love-interest could be one-sided or mutual.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:00, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

It isn't specific. Like I said, a love-interest could be a one-sided thing or a mutual thing. Writing down "love-interest" could confuse readers. 'Love-interest' isn't a specific, general term used for Amy. It is self-proclaimed girlfriend. It is a much more common term used and it is quite clear.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:06, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

That's why using the term alone isn't specific.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:09, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

If there is anything that sounds vague to you, you can, or ask someone else to make it more clear. Simple as that. Vague information must be clarified.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:13, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

So you mean

  • On Sonic's article, Amy being his love-interest means it is either that she likes him or the feelings are mutual
  • But on Amy's article, Sonic being her love-interest means that she likes him

As you can see, you are treating the same word to have different meanings. Not everyone knows this. It could misguide the readers.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:20, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't sound like a 'middle-ground' to me. How about we keep the term for Amy's page but not for Sonic's? Because on Amy' it makes it kinda clear that she's attracted to him, but on Sonic's page it's pretty much in-between 'friend' or 'more than friend. Thus 'self-proclaimed' girlfriend contradicts with 'love-interest'.

Writing 'love-interest' on both says there's a mutual attraction. Which isn't apparent.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:26, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Deal. I like SonAmy too, don't get me wrong.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:29, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, by the way. We can list down 'love-interest' on both pages when we can confirm that they have mutual feelings for each other. Is that okay?--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:32, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blaze is a close friend of Sonic, read her bio from Sonic Generations. SuperSubSpeed (talk) 23:38, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I was about to give him a warning when he sent you that ridiculous message, after that, a warning didn't seem enough. Myself 123 22:54, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Trivia

Very well then. Still it's quite hard to comprehend and feels irrelevant if your trivia info is about something like that. Mystic Orb (TP.CO.EC) 07:14, December 3, 2013 (UTC) 

Wikia introduced fluid layout today. It's a wikia-wide thing; every wiki is now forced to be like this. Personally, I don't like it, but we'll have to make do for now. -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 16:17, December 4, 2013 (UTC) er No prob. ;)

Yo, one way of "fixing" the fluid layout is by doing "crtl minus" once on your keyboard. This makes the text and general resolution look more like the former Wikia layout. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 17:17, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 18:20, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's because there's a redirect page called "Cyclone" that had to be deleted. Anyway, everything's fixed now, and hopefully it's the way you want it to be now. ;) -- Shadowunleashed13 (talk) 15:35, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean Super Sonic? Super Sonic is listed as a sub-point under Sonic because Super Sonic shares a space with Sonic on the character select screen. Myself 123 16:00, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't really a point, just pointing out a plus to using that method, the actual point still stands. Myself 123 16:05, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


I know nothing about which hands he uses.

So if he used his right in Skyward, is he ambidextrous? The True Ultimate Silver Fan (My talking page! Someone tell it to stop.) 03:12, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see. Makes sense. The True Ultimate Silver Fan (My talking page! Someone tell it to stop.) 03:57, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Here, like this: ~~~~~ if you use a custom signature. ~~~~ if you want the default signature. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 04:08, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

You got it spot on! Good job! ;) BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 04:13, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
No problem! Glad I can be helpful! :D BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 04:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Look, we know little to nothing about the characters. The Eggman article or example has only a few sentences. Why do we need an article for that just for when we know hardly ANYTHING about the characters? I suggest you quit edit warring as well. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 23:37, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Why make the article in advance if the character will not even appear in the cartoon for another YEAR? The article itself is sloppy and full of assumptions. I rather wait until a trailer of Sonic Boom is shown. In the meantime, the sticks should be deleted and kept on the main characters pages. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 23:44, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
That just further proves my case; we know nothing of the characters, a SINGLE IMAGE is the only thing we know about the show. Having an article on a character we don't even know looks like (in a decent image way) is redundant. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 23:49, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what you even said. I'm just going to leave my opinion as is. If we get an more info (concept artwork, trailer, etc.) then the articles are fine. Until now, they are essentially useless. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 23:57, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Then we are at a stalemate. Wait and see what others think in the meantime. I wouldn't suggest reverting my edits, as you'll get block for edit warring. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 00:01, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

That edit I made

Sorry about editing that thing on Cream the Rabbit's article, I thought it wasn't accurate but then you said it was. Again sorry about doing that. (Neon Girl Star (talk) 19:08, January 12, 2014 (UTC))

I took another look at the page, you undid the edit about the picture showing a guy that seems to be Jet's dad, I'll explain. I once read that the picture of the guy in the portrait is Jet's father, but I wasn't sure if that was the person who wrote that was guessing that it was Jet's dad or knew he was Jet's dad. Then I read that someone else edited the trivia on Jet's article or the article on Jet's father (if he has one on this site), saying that it might not be Jet's father. So that's why I edited on Cream's trivia. (Neon Girl Star (talk) 19:23, January 12, 2014 (UTC))

I see. (Neon Girl Star (talk) 19:32, January 12, 2014 (UTC))

Do I have to repeat myself? THERE IS LITTLE TO NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE CHARACTERS KNOWN OTHER THAN A SINGLE TEADER IMAGE! Last time I checked it was a stalemate. Revert my edits again I will contact am admin and block you via edit warring. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 03:34, January 13, 2014 (UTC)


Calm down. BlueSpeeder is entitled to his opinion. Let him make his case. If it is true that he is "the only one" who wants it that way, then the deletion template will be removed in due time and you will have your way. --Bullet Francisco (talk) Contributions Editcount 03:46, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Okay at this point you're tempting me to ask an admin to block you for edit warring. Regardless I suggest you stop edit warring because your message on my talk page made absolutely no sense (I suggest checking your grammar), and I stated this WAYYYYY too many times: we literally only have that single image to prove the characters will appear in a show that doesn't come out until late 2014. With this, I believe we should at least WAIT when an official trailer comes out to have some decent images of the characters. At this point, we know nothing about the characters. THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS BASICALLY SPECULATION! Sorry if I was rude, but being blunt was the best way to finally tell you my true message.

My second point; other than you, who was the other person(s) that supported the article staying? Considering the article is poor with information, not to mention is almost to the point of non official (case in point: Doctor Eggman (Sonic Boom)), the wiki is made to have articles that contain official material. For all we know, the show could potentially be canceled. Why have five, FIVE articles consisting of characters that we have only a teaser image to prove of their existence! At this point, you are agitating me to exhaustion. Failing to stop will have consequences. Give me any proof of another user supporting the articles staying an I'll stop. Remember, there is no sense on keeping articles like this on the wiki, especially if we are going to have official information. We don't have pages for the Early Sonic Cartoon prior to SatAM, correct? Why should we do different with this cartoon, if it could get scrapped? BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 03:52, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

You still failed to tell me the other user or users that supported the article staying. If there is no other user that supports the article staying, I will leave the deletion templates on there and it will soon be deleted. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 03:59, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I hate to be rude, but just because they edited the article prior to me adding the deletion button didn't mean they think the article should stay on here. There could have been a grammar error, picture size error, etc. Just because other people edited the page doesn't mean that they supported the article existing. Therefore, I fail to see your point on why keeping the articles. I'll contact an admin to delete the articles. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 04:11, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

I recently read some messages you and Bullet shared via talk pages. A template for future show might just work. In that case, the Eggman page is my only concern at this moment. When I'm on an official computer, I'll remove the delete templates and add news ones. In any case I'm sorry I was too stubborn. Please forgive me on this edit war. See you later. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 04:17, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: That Edit I made

Hi, I know it's been a few days since we last spoke with each other, but I just want to talk to you. I'm good at editing, I have always been good at editing before I joined this wiki. I had done edits on Wikipedia and Wikiquote (although I did it as a wiki contributor) before I joined this wiki, and I'm still enjoying my time here. That's all. (Neon Girl Star (talk) 18:34, January 14, 2014 (UTC))

Oh okay, I understand but yes, discuss it on a talkpage (either on the article or the user(s) that are in disagreement with you) is a preferred method rather than in edit summaries. By the way, to cite a reference to information, see this page to learn how to, though by default, you'd use the following coding:

<ref>[Link to source]</ref>

Mystic Orb (TP.CO.EC) 23:09, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, just so I understand this...

Assuming for a moment that all titles are canon, then what exactly is it about Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood that makes it not fit in the main series? As far as I know, there are two ways to fit it in the series - either right before Sonic Unleashed (which happened to be released afterwards), or at the end of the series. If you place it right before Sonic Unleashed, then it's simple enough to write it off as leading to the event at the beginning of the game where Super Sonic goes after Eggman but gets tricked. The only problem with this is that Shade the Echidna disappears. On the other hand, if you put it at the end of the series, then there should be no problem besides leaving the series on a giant cliffhanger. I know there is supposed to be a two-year gap in the game, but as far as I know the developers never directly stated it takes place at the end of the series, so that's why I prefer the former...

And as for ArchangelUK - while he only worked for Sega, his words are really good insight for what the company as a whole considers the "core" games and which ones they actually keep in mind going forward. However, for example, he stated that he doesn't consider Sonic and the Secret Rings canon, but those events are mentioned later on in Sonic Generations, so it had to have happened. Basically, he has said that it's his view on the canon given his interaction with higher-ups, but these titles can be brought from the back of their minds at any time. So that's why I thought it was a good away to do away with the "non-canon" section and just leave the "high-canon" declarations to the asterisk, because what's considered canon can really change at any moment depending on whomever's in charge, and at that point the section was dwindling down to games that all had one thing in common - their lack of story.

So, with that out of the way, which contradictions in Sonic Chronicles were you referring to that renders it incompatible with the series? LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:02, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

Right, I agree that Shade does vanish if you put the game right before Sonic Unleashed, but I don't think the other two are issues, and I'll explain why. It's never said how much time Sonic and friends spent in the Twilight Cage, and it's never said what exactly Eggman has been doing with his free time. It doesn't necessarily look like Eggman managed to conquer the world at the end - given the limited view we have, I think it looks more like he went to work rebuilding Metropolis, which was in ruins for most of the game. If you also take the Japanese storyline of the original 16-bit Sonic the Hedgehog into account, Sonic apparently met Eggman and knew him for a while, so he could have encountered SwatBots there since they're mentioned to be very old (possibly pre-animal container) robots. But yes, the game doesn't explain those things very well, though that's just how I interpreted these things - if the sequel ever happened/happens, it could turn out the writers had another idea. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:34, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

No need for rudeness. I'm aware of that. Also, I'M SUPER EXCITED! BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 22:02, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Your Basis for Sega-Sonic Canon

Lloyd the Cat2
Genesjs "I don't die. I just go on adventures."
TALK – 21:54, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I saw your recent edit to the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise article, and I reviewed your reason for moving the information regarding Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood to another section of the article -- and I have a question for you: Where do you get your information on what is considered canon/non-canon in the Sega-Sonic continuity (the games made my Sonic Team)?

A couple years ago a Site Discussion was held here in order to determine how deciding what is "canon" to the Sonic franchise in general is made, whether it be confirmation from official sources or other, unspecific means which a number of people seemed convinced is how things work, when there was a number of people who had conflicting notions on how determining canon works. The outcome of this discussion, if I remember correctly, resulted in the general consensus that there was no real way for Users/consumers to tell which titles are considered canon with absolute certainty without confirmation from official sources who've worked on those titles, therefore SNN chose to forgo the idea of trying too hard to determine where everything stands and simply write information about the titles anyway, and only include information on their canonicity if official sources have made any comments about it.

To my understanding this consensus still applies, especially since no real means of determining canon with Sega-Sonic has been established at this point in time (to my knowledge) -- yet apparently you seem to have some idea on how determining what is canon with Sega-Sonic works, if your comment on the edit to the article I mentioned previously is anything to go by. So what I want to know is this: are there things regarding Sega-Sonic canon that you know about with absolute certainty that the rest of the Users here may not know about? If so, would you be willing to enlighten me on how you came across this information and where I can look to make confirmations about it myself?

I'm not asking this solely to attempt to discredit the reasoning behind your edit, in case the thought has crossed your mind -- I know that Sonic Chronicles isn't "canon", because apparently it was officially stated somewhere that the game isn't canon to the established Sega-Sonic mythos in any way -- I just simply want to better understand your reasoning.

Lloyd the Cat2
Genesjs "I don't die. I just go on adventures."
TALK – 22:06, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I've misunderstood you at all. Did you read the entirety of my last message?

But regarding your latest arguments, the game can't necessarily be faulted for not having certain plot-points brought up again, since the game was obviously setting itself up for a sequel which may never see the light of day. The same can be said for it's ending. On a related note, the game can also be considered non-canon because a lot of details regarding the game's backstory the game's "Codex" talked about had gotten a number of details wrong, and since the Codex was added in order to bring players up to speed on a number of past events that somehow related to the story of Sonic Chronicles, its pretty jarring to see it get a number of important details wrong. I say those events relate to Sonic Chronicles because most Sonic games don't take the time to mention anything of other storylines found in other games, so one can assume that the writers of Chronicles wouldn't have mentioned the stories of those past games unless they were trying to set up some form of continuity for the game. While I lack proof, I think this is one of the most reasonable assumptions one can make on this issue.

At any rate, I'm not here to discuss Sonic Chronicle's status in canon with you -- per se, anyway.

Lloyd the Cat2
Genesjs "I don't die. I just go on adventures."
TALK – 22:13, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
I think adding information regarding its apparent non-canon status would be a good idea, since TV Trope's claims that its been confirmed to be non-canon. Other than that, I agree with you. However, you still haven't answered my main question(s).

Lloyd the Cat2
Genesjs "I don't die. I just go on adventures."
TALK – 22:48, February 7, 2014 (UTC)
So canon based on how well it fits with the other games? Got it. Thanks.

I gotta ask you something since if what you say is true, then something else needs to be changed. If that is what Sonic when using Were-hammer in Unleashed Mode, when is what is written on Wereclap true? Isn't wereclap an unlisted move? Doesn't the Were-hammer become Wereclap when using it in unleashed mode?Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:05, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

What is the mission for the airborne Were-Hammer called?Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:24, February 8, 2014 (UTC)


Why do you constantly remove my edits? It's not as if what I post isn't valid. I simply posted a picture of Sonic expanding his muscle mass to increase physical strength in congation with " This does not mean that Sonic's arms are not strong though; In Sonic the Hedgehog CD, Sonic exhibited strength great enough to tear robots apart with brute force alone." Please englighten me on what I did wrong. 

Well that piece of trivia shouldn't be there anyway as there is another transformation. Besides, it's a pet peeve of mine on this wiki when certain qualifier are removed or modified to fit certain pieces of trivia like that. Myself 123 17:23, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

But it is still a transformation nevertheless. Myself 123 17:29, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's clear at all. Like I said, the trivia says that it's the only transformation, the Werehog is a transformation, and a clear one at that. I can't think of any way the trivia could be worded to apply to only certain types of transformations, nor do I think it should, for the above reasons. Myself 123 17:37, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry my brain can't come up with a way to word that piece of trivia the way you want it to. In future, I'll try to be more intelligent, I guess I should start reading some books or something. Myself 123 17:48, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

I'm quite sorry, but it's worthless. It should be merged; why wait for more info when we don't so with the Archie Comics issue pages? We don't make pages for it if the cover doesn't appear, so, if you looked at it this way, that page had little to nothing and can be created when more info is out. For now, I suggest you quit edit warring. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 22:27, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

One more time you edit war I will block you. Just a head's up. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 22:30, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

First off, watch your spelling. Second, the page will be recreated when more info comes. That page, in all honesty, was full of already said information, bad grammar, and little to nothing of information. It's redundant. Oh, and don't threaten a user. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 22:35, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if the game was made my Sonic Team thay still have to credit it. Speedy X (talk) 00:04, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Okay lets say crediting doesn't matter... wheres your sources. Speedy X (talk) 00:12, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

The Light-Feild is something Generations does NOT have.

The Hedgehog Engine is not credited in Generations you say SEGA doesn't need to credit it then why did they credited in Sonic Unleashed? Speedy X (talk) 00:19, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Just because it has similar lighting doesn't mean it uses the same engine because if it uses the same engine they will look alike. Speedy X (talk) 00:30, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

All I said was "There is no sources if you have sources you can undo my edit." and you have not showed me a source. Show me a source so we can be done with this. Speedy X (talk) 00:38, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Just because they are similar doesn't mean they use the same engine. Speedy X (talk) 00:44, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

They can't just look similar & say they use the same engine there is no proof Generations uses the Hedgehog Engine. Speedy X (talk) 00:50, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

If it doesn't say it then it doesn't use it. Speedy X (talk) 00:54, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

When they credit it it uses the modified internal engine. Speedy X (talk) 01:01, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong? I'm just saying whats what. Speedy X (talk) 01:19, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

You gave me nothing. Give me a source if there is no source or it is not credited then it is not reliable. Speedy X (talk) 01:27, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed you adding a Sonic Boom concept image to the Marine article and Sonic Boom article. The reason I'm undoing your edits is because it's speculation, and I've learned over my time here that speculation shouldn't be put into the articles. Since we don't know for sure if that's truly Marine or not, I think it would be best if we keep those images and Trivia away from the articles until official word says that it's actually Marine, if that word ever comes. Alright? MetalMickey272

I guess, but I wouldn't necessarily call this "proof" when there's no real hint that the character is Marine; all that's there is an image of a character with a somewhat similar design. I'll leave the image alone for now unless someone else has something to say about it. MetalMickey272

I talked with an admin, Genesjs, and other members on the chat feature on this wiki, and we all came to an agreement that this information about Marine in Sonic Boom, along with the article (which has been deleted), should not be on this wiki until there is an official source that states that the character in the image is very well Marine. MetalMickey272

Done. Thanks for informing me.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 07:14, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sincerely sorry I wasn't online long enough to block him/her. Although, thanks for the catch. ;) BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 13:50, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

I know that the behavior of the characters suggest otherwise, but we have official statements on black and white from the official media, a.k.a. Word of God, that says otherwise. So when it comes to choosing between our own judgment and info from the creators, we must be professional, bite the sour apple and go by what they say.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:42, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

That logic I can allow. However, it is important that there are given references to that statement.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:46, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

There isn't a great of information that has been retconned as of Sonic Adventure. As for listing Sonic's age as 16, it's not about what happened in-universe, it's about official information given out by Sega. But, if you feel as the information is confusing (despite additional information), then fine. Myself 123 17:52, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

What I mean is that it is only when it is said on official paper that Sonic is younger that that we can allow us to override it. In this case, the developers has given us a pinpoint of Sonic's pre-adventure age, and that is what me must follow. Regardless of inconsistency it may have with the developers later work, that is the clear, official and inexcusable fact on Sonic's age. We on the other hand cannot be the judge of what the developers have decided is consistent or not and we cannot trust our own judgment in that regard. What I am saying is that, yes, it is inconsistent, but the developers has given him that age, and we do not decide when that applies or not; it is only until the developers say otherwise that Sonic's pre-adventure age does not apply.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:55, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

In all honesty, I don't see many differences between classic characters and modern characters in terms of personality. The only real difference I see is that classic Sonic has more expressive gestures and expressions, mainly because it was decided to make him mute. The only other difference I see is height, perhaps because they thought classic Sonic would look weird if he was the same height. Also, when you said "we also don't know if that came from Sega of Japan or America" what were you referring to? Myself 123 18:07, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Classic Tails doesn't have a lisp, and I don't know what your point is about Eggman is. That link is what's on the page as a source for Sonic's age pre-adventure, I see no reason to reduce such a link to something as meaningless as trivia. Myself 123 18:20, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

I've played Generations a lot, classic Tails has no lisp. The Eggman thing doesn't prove anything, because all that classic Eggman is saying is that he's worried about becoming more like modern Eggman, I don't see how that proves anything that isn't already known. That source is placed in the right place for it's use provided the information about Sonic's age pre-Adventure stays, and it seems like most people want it to stay. Myself 123 18:28, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

If you think there's an issue and that only current ages should be listed, why don't you leave a message on the talk page instead of acting like I'm some kind of tyrant who only wants to have things my way. Did you forget that I said earlier that I was fine with omitting past ages from the template? PS. Fail to see how listing Sonic's past is inaccurate, if anything, it makes the wiki more accurate. Myself 123 18:37, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

I am not so sure about that article. I question its future and thus does not feel obligated to work on it. However, you have the right to give this a try and I can see your point in it, but I am afraid you draw connections were there are none. So to surmise, I will not go against it, but I will not help it either.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 20:09, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if all you care about it getting information out, that's fine. But, if you refuse to use proper grammar, then I will be forced to revert edits you make. Please take that into consideration. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 22:31, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Quite honestly, you're on the verge of being blocked. I'll tell you that. But according to the rules "use proper grammar". If you fail to use proper grammar, your edits will be blocked. I hate to sound redundant, but I could say the same to your edit wars. Enough is enough. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 23:01, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Generations Quote

The quote in an article is supposed to summarize and represent the game, not the entire franchise. A tag line would be a better quote than something sonic said at the end of the game, it's not appropriate. SilverPlays 97 14:00, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

That is your opinion about what the game is about. Many other people have other perspectives about what the game is about; so the quote doesn't fit. Also, on 10 other game pages they use taglines for the quote and for the articles that do use game quotes they are very appropriate, unlike yours. SilverPlays 97 14:10, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
Do I need to restate myself? It is your opinion because other people don't agree with it, myself included. I want to improve the quality of the page with this quote. You know, you have yet to say why my quote is not better than yours. Do you think it is a good quote? SilverPlays 97 14:21, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
See? It is an opinion because it is not a fact but your view about the game. My quote is fact, and that is the purpose of a page: to display fact, not opinion. Also remember to put a timestanp when you leave your sig, I hate it when people don't do that. SilverPlays 97
You must be in denial or didn't read anything I have said. I have already told you why and I am not going to say it again. I have won this argument, and I intend to undo your edit. If you keep undoing my edit without any legitimate reason you will be blocked for edit warring once again. And you still have not left your timestamp. SilverPlays 97 14:43, March 30, 2014 (UTC)
I have my doubts about this article (like Shuriken (weapon)). If you can find an official name for it, I can do it without trouble, or you could lead it to the Bobsled (sled). Regardless, I can get it, but right now, I have my doubt about it and I am not sure it should elaborated.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:17, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, I actually have a one-click delete tool installed in my local wikia.js page, so I can delete stuff fast. I just accidentally clicked the delete button, is all. :3 -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 18:17, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Um... I hadn't thought of that. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 18:24, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. But have it detailed and not something you just made in less than four minutes. BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 01:41, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Listen, Sonamyfan. About the 'Parahuman'/'Hybrid' page.

I think that the hybrid characters should be called Parahumans too, but the higher-ups keep rejecting that name because it's never been used in any official material. If we don't keep the pages name as 'Hybrid' they're going to delete it. Trust me, I created a 'Parahuman' page just this morning, but then it got deleted and I had to recreate it under the 'Hybrid' name. PsychoShark (talk) 02:16, April 19, 2014 (UTC)PsyychoShark

Thanks. Nice to know you missed me despite the issues we have. Be warned though: Nothing is really gonna be the same.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 19:52, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 20:00, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any Amy pics in Jump Fever.

... Is Amy even a confirmed playable character? :/ -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:01, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

My bad. (But Knuckles is also in that pic) -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:05, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

This wiki doesn't have a standpoint on this stuff, except that we stay as close to official as possible. Sega almost always lists the four characters as: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy... not: Sonic, Amy, Tails, Knuckles. That's official. Listing otherwise could be somewhat detrimental to the reader's train of thought. I know you want Amy to be higher up on the list for whatever reason, but it's not worth changing if the reader would process the information more easily the other way and if the other way is official. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:11, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy are shown in that order on the character menu. Also, should we list Princess Elise before Sonic on the 06 page or Eggman before Sonic on the Unleashed and Lost World pages? -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:19, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

You still didn't answer my first sentence, which was the more important point. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:33, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

But the game is out in Canada. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 01:37, April 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Sonamyfan666. I deleted your page [Piko Piko Hammer (Sonic Boom)] because it is prefered to merge all information to the Piko Piko Hammer page.

Thanks.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:46, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

There is no information on the Piko Piko Hammer in Sonic Boom besides it being a difference appearance of this. The Long Hammer is an upgrade of it and can be seen as separate. As for now, the weapon in Sonic Boom is only a redesign of the weapon used in the games. Nothing more than that.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 11:58, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

The information you have right now can be easily merged here. What makes you so sure there is going to be alot more information at E3? Even if there will be, we can't be too sure. What should matter is the information we have now. Besides, if there will be new information, I still suggest you merge it to the Piko Piko Hammer page. I would merge Long Hammer to the page as well but I didn't know that page existed.--SlugDrones • (Contact) 12:09, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I've seen plenty of pages that have been created way before they should've and that page may also be one such page. I'll leave that to others though. Myself 123 00:34, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

The thing about the colours in question is a matter of opinion red and green are actually complements, so it makes sense to have those two colours. Also, saying that the game is similar to a Mario game and that it's main complaint is that it's similar to a Mario game are two different things, the latter being opinionated. There's also the misuse of the word ironic. Myself 123 16:48, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

I'll try. Might take a while though. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 15:47, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Edit war

I protected the "Sonic the Hedgehog series" article due to an edit war. Please take the argument with User:LinkTheLefty to talk pages instead of constantly reverting edits. Contact me once the issue has been resolved, since we need a final verdict to decide where the game will be placed. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 18:16, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it was. I just deleted the code for it so it doesn't happen again. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 18:19, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha. -- Shadowunleashed13 - ContributionsDebug Mode 18:23, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, if you look back, I was going to relent and leave it in the Miscellaneous section. It just doesn't belong there as-is, because that section is expressly designated for games that lack a clear storyline - which is the exact opposite of Sonic Chronicles, as it is all about storyline (whether you agree with it or not). I updated the text to include games that have some controversy or have no obvious valid placement in the timeline, which (IMO) opens the floodgates to dismissing over three-fourths of the series - a problem I try to avoid, since I really don't believe it is or should be up to us to say or imply what is or isn't "canon". I'm going to leave a proposal to further simplify the Chronology section to prevent misunderstandings in the Sonic the Hedgehog series Talk Page, which I hope with bring more agreement to the matter. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:50, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah! Though I think we might have had it like that before, but I think what happened was that there were way too many games strictly under that section that it became almost comical, and there weren't any clear guidelines for them to the point where there was much disagreement over what was or wasn't considered "Miscellaneous". So that's one solution, but I'm not sure it would be an entirely permanent fix. Like I said, I'll propose something I've been mulling over in the Talk Page. I believe the idea I have will be more stable than the current Chronology model and less prone to edit unrest, so stay tuned. LinkTheLefty (talk) 19:02, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I left my proposal for a long-term revision and a posted an incomplete but fairly thorough version of that idea here. LinkTheLefty (talk) 05:45, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Eggwalker - Vagueness

Sonamy? Why would you think my "vagueness correction" isn't necessary on your claim? The reading motion switched to a new paragraph, ie: new section. Because the reading took us to a new line, the subject on the previous paragraph was left behind, so we don't now what subject the next paragraph is talking about. There, that's where the "it" word I noticed under the "description" section. But what is "it" within that section? "It" could be anything, which doesn't make any sense because the new paragraph, in other words the new section, doesn't have a subject defined prior to "it." In this case, I replaced the "it" with "Eggwalker" so it has a subject so the word "it" can be freely used, unless the reading takes us to a new subject. But I don't understand why you had to undo that because the "it" on the beginning under the Description section doesn't have a subject. ---TacticalMaster (talk) 04:13, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Focused Homing Attack

Well, before we cause an edit war, I should mention that the Light Speed Dash isn't a type of Homing Attack and is always involves the use of rings, whereas the Focused Homing Attack, while similar in terms of speed, does not involve rings and involves enemies. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 19:30, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

First off, watch what you say, because you kept saying "Light Speed DASH". Second, I see your point, but I'll discuss with another user whether they should be merged. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 19:39, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


... What? Half of what you said was jumbled run-on sentences. Tell me what you said again, because the only thing I got out of all of that was a drought of commas and periods. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 01:39, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Umm.. No. Tell me what you said again with correct grammar or I'll completely disregard this entire conversation and undo your edit. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 14:02, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
For God's sake, I have no IDEA what you originally said BECAUSE your grammar is poor. All I'm asking is that you repeat what you said (it doesn't seem like you can't edit, so don't throw that excuse), not to bow down and worship. This is your final warning. If you don't repeat what you said in a way I, or others, may understand, there will be consequences. That's it. Just a simple sentence on what you originally said with correct grammar. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 14:11, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


Like I said, all you had to do was explain what you said in a nice, grammatical way. Because you refuse to do so, along with your past edit wars, I've blocked you for two weeks. Your talk page is available for you to edit. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 16:48, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Blue this is abuse of your powers if you had bothered to look at your talk page you would have seen that I had added punctuations to my original message about the trivia and I haven't touched the page sense I started trying to explain things to you. Amyrunhammer Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere... Amyrunhammer

It's not abuse of my powers. You failed to tell me why you kept editing. I couldn't even understand what you said. And you still didn't elaborate why in a clear way. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 16:53, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
Yes it Is and I told you why I did the edit it was by definition trivia. There are no rules about having to use proper grammar on talk pages only on the main space articles. This is clear abuse of your powers because there are no rules in place about being allowed to block a user for lack of proper grammar on talk pages. Amyrunhammer Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere... Amyrunhammer

After a brief discussion with BlueSpeeder, we agreed to shorten your ban to 5 days. You are permitted to use your talk page during that. Serious Sam Minigun icon Heavy 16:57, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sacorguy. Amyrunhammer Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere... Amyrunhammer

...Alright, I've decided to unblock you. After contemplating long enough, I understand your sentence. I've been having a lot of stuff to deal with lately, and this argument wasn't helping it. I'll unblock you shortly. Just remember to at least elaborate in a grammatical way since I barely understand half of the things you say. - BlueSpeeder - Blue Streak Speeds By... 17:34, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

I Understand if you want your free to leave a long rant on my talk page if stuff is bothering you. Amyrunhammer Sonamyfan666 Follow me inside, outside, through the stratosphere... Amyrunhammer

Amy's speed

While I admire your devotion to Amy, I am afraid we have to stay by clear facts. You arguments are based on gameplay effects, but unfortunately, those are ambiguous by nature; they place the characters on the same level of speed without rhyme or reason and to compare them to others are like comparing two equally filled glasses. Fact is that, we cannot draw a conclusive statement from this other than they have super speed, but to measure them against each other is inconclusive due to the developers doing whatever they feel like without sticking to the cannon. It suck, I know, but we gotta be conclusive and precise.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 17:40, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

I don't like to repeat myself, either, but gameplay comparison is a too ambiguous way to measure a character's abilities on a scale. Even when comparing Amy between her other game appearances, it is still gameplay comparisons and that is too ambiguous, no matter what the case. While I agree she has demonstrated super speed in general, I am measuring what the clear facts that has been stated in general. You base your statements on gameplay features and while they can be a good source, there are limits to what we can draw from them. Sonic appears faster in Unleashed than in Adventure? That is another example of difference in gameplay creating different incarnations for his speed (however, we are given a measure with the point markers which is a clear statement). What I am saying is that the exact level of Amy's speed is ambiguous because of the different speeds she has demonstrated in the games, so we can only draw conclusions from what we know for sure. You just can't use ambiguity like this if we want to make a clear statement. Also whether it was said very early in the series or not, it is for the sake of certainty that until that statement is challenge and it is said outright with a statement from the characters or developers, then we must assume that this how fast Amy is and nothing has changed, no matter what the gameplay speed for Amy might be. Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:05, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
Statements from the characters are the firmest way to get a confirmation. Amy herself admits she is not as fast as Sonic and nothing in gameplay can change that. Also, whether it is Japanese or not, it is statements given by the official media. Sure, original writings holds presence, but unless you can prove to me that Amy does not admit she is slower than Sonic in the Japanese version, then your argument has no solid foundation. For unleashed, you are again comparing gameplay speed between each game which is just not valid information. Also, for whether it is said early in the series or not, it is a statement and will hold presence until disapproved by another statement - the way you say it make it sound like Amy has gotten faster and that's not proven as a fact. Sorry, but you have to accept that Amy have limitations and put her down from her pedestal.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:23, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
My opinion of your statement is the very opposite; we would be implying to lie to our readers if we did write it. Nothing is said Amy has gotten faster and gameplay is too ambiguous to be a measure; also, by saying "early on in the series" that she was not as fast as Sonic we imply she has gotten faster which would be lying since we have nothing to back it up (and gameplay in this case doesn't count). I see our differences here is the sources of our truths. However, while your statements are based on ambiguous gameplay that doesn't match up between games, mine is more based on clear statements in the games, making them (sorry I say this) more valid.Ultrasonic9000 (talk) 18:41, July 4, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the advice, Sonamyfan666.  He keeps undoing the trivia I put in.  It seems like pretty legit information for trivia to me.  I'm afraid if he continues to do this, I will have to advise an Admin of his "behavior". Sonicboom14 (talk) 15:45, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Sonicboom14 (talk) 17:34, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

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